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How much have you heard about the balloons in comparison?

Karunamon 4y ago
How much unidentified flying stuff getting shot at is happening in comparison? Very little new is happening on the derail/disaster to report about. It's one ongoing event everybody already knows about versus lots of little events that keep happening. By definition, the former one is news. What coverage do you want to see that isn't happening?
- corbulo 4y ago
  The National Media apparatus is not putting pressure on the right entities to ensure transparency and accountability. They have no problem doing that when it suits their political objectives. Wall to wall coverage of shit most people barely give a shit about for weeks on end with no changes but endless questions. Here's an issue that has very grave implications for us all and suddenly they're not interested in asking the right questions of the right people anymore. You don't find that remotely disappointing or curious? If the 'wrong' people were in office they'd have the sainted mayor talking about how much they need the federal help they're not getting. Why haven't they even bothered asking FEMA for help by the way? Maybe a competent media would ask those questions.
  - jakear 4y ago
    Take this as a sign the news sources you consume are exclusively biased in a single direction. The top Bing News result for "Ohio" is a Fox News anchor saying exactly what you claim no-one is: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/jesse-watters-on-ohio-chemical-catastrophe-we-declared-a-national-emergency-over-monkeypox-but-not-this/ar-AA17uAn6 https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/jesse-watters-o...
    - corbulo 4y ago
      I've seem that. Thats not news thats commentary, its a big distinction that not enough people are aware of. My sources are pretty broad. News is original reporting and going to the primary sources of a given story. Commentary sources usually function as secondary or tertiary sources and typically lack the resources to hound government officials, wait outside their office, spend tons of time digging up FOIAs for issues that may or may not pan out, etc. Figuring out whats happening with a hazardous derailment is not the job of a Tucker or Watters, thats the job of an inquisitive on the ground journalist. Which every news agency employs but very selectively uses.
      - chucksta 4y ago
        Couldn't have responded better for me
      - jakear 4y ago
        So what are some actual questions you want answered? The one example you gave was: why haven't "they" even bothered asking FEMA for help. Who even is "they"? And how do you know FEMA hasn't been asked for help by "them"?
        corbulo 4y ago
        They being the local government. FEMA said on their own twitter. https://twitter.com/fema/status/1625617600104259584?s=20 https://twitter.com/fema/status/1625617600104259584?s=20 Why has FEMA not been contacted for assistance? What went into the decision to burn it off? What are the implications of that for local residents? How long are local residents going to live with this? What are we going to do to help the local ecology? What recourse is there for local residents who develop health issues from this? How long is this whole thing supposed to last in the water table? What are they gonna do to help prevent it? I could go on. Genuinely asking, could you not think of one of those? Aren't you curious about the decisions being made?
        jakear 4y ago
        > Why has FEMA not been contacted for assistance? >> We are monitoring the incident and remain in close contact with local officials who are handling the response on the ground. Sounds good to me. Not every happening in the country needs a dedicated slush fund. If officials determine that this does, FEMA has already been in close contact with the people who they need to be in close contact with. You want to be the one who determines this? Run for office or apply for the job. > What went into the decision to burn it off? What are the implications of that for local residents? To prevent an explosion, as explained here: https://www.newsweek.com/did-control-burn-toxic-chemicals-make-ohio-train-derailment-worse-1781273 https://www.newsweek.com/did-control-burn-toxic-chemicals-ma... This was very easy to find on Bing. Did you do any research at all or just expect the media to spoon feed you answers? > How long are local residents going to live with this? Not something that can be answered by anything but waiting and seeing. > What are we going to do to help the local ecology? How long is this whole thing supposed to last in the water table? I don't expect this to be something that is known right now. But I can bet that scientists the country over are investigating. > What are they gonna do to help prevent it? Literally the main question in the media. Assigning blame to some party/policy/whatever, in order to adopt a change. Plenty more of Fox relaying EPA analysis and demanding action from government here: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ohio-republican-invites-buttigieg-east-palestine-town-hall-train-derailment-save-seat https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ohio-republican-invites-but...
- chucksta 4y ago
  What advancements has there been with the balloons? The entire time its been "its definitely not aliens, but we don't know what it is, and we can't recover the debris for reasons" Is the ecological damage and impact to residents not an ongoing event? Elected officials responses to the event/pressing them for one, informing people of proposed changes to make sure it doesn't happen again
llanowarelves 4y ago
And the coverage of the "spill" took almost two weeks to start ramping up
mrguyorama 4y ago
I have at this point heard, saw, read 10x as much about this damn derailment as the multiple objects downed around north america. In fact, the fourth one was barely even referred to in the places people post stuff, while there were three instances of headline articles on the front page all with top comments saying "the media isn't reporting on this and is instead reporting on the balloons" Like... It's just not true? Right now, on r/news, 7 of the top 25 articles are about Ohio, plus an extra article about an entirely different small industrial accident somewhere else, with only two articles about the balloons, specifically China's bitching about them.
- Izkata 4y ago
  The derailment was almost two weeks ago; last week that sentiment was mostly true. The story seems to only have really blown up this past weekend, and people are kind of still stuck on how it wasn't a big story until then.

How much unidentified flying stuff getting shot at is happening in comparison? Very little new is happening on the derail/disaster to report about. It's one ongoing event everybody already knows about versus lots of little events that keep happening. By definition, the former one is news. What coverage do you want to see that isn't happening?

corbulo 4y ago
The National Media apparatus is not putting pressure on the right entities to ensure transparency and accountability. They have no problem doing that when it suits their political objectives. Wall to wall coverage of shit most people barely give a shit about for weeks on end with no changes but endless questions. Here's an issue that has very grave implications for us all and suddenly they're not interested in asking the right questions of the right people anymore. You don't find that remotely disappointing or curious? If the 'wrong' people were in office they'd have the sainted mayor talking about how much they need the federal help they're not getting. Why haven't they even bothered asking FEMA for help by the way? Maybe a competent media would ask those questions.
- jakear 4y ago
  Take this as a sign the news sources you consume are exclusively biased in a single direction. The top Bing News result for "Ohio" is a Fox News anchor saying exactly what you claim no-one is: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/jesse-watters-on-ohio-chemical-catastrophe-we-declared-a-national-emergency-over-monkeypox-but-not-this/ar-AA17uAn6 https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/jesse-watters-o...
  - corbulo 4y ago
    I've seem that. Thats not news thats commentary, its a big distinction that not enough people are aware of. My sources are pretty broad. News is original reporting and going to the primary sources of a given story. Commentary sources usually function as secondary or tertiary sources and typically lack the resources to hound government officials, wait outside their office, spend tons of time digging up FOIAs for issues that may or may not pan out, etc. Figuring out whats happening with a hazardous derailment is not the job of a Tucker or Watters, thats the job of an inquisitive on the ground journalist. Which every news agency employs but very selectively uses.
    - chucksta 4y ago
      Couldn't have responded better for me
    - jakear 4y ago
      So what are some actual questions you want answered? The one example you gave was: why haven't "they" even bothered asking FEMA for help. Who even is "they"? And how do you know FEMA hasn't been asked for help by "them"?
      - corbulo 4y ago
        They being the local government. FEMA said on their own twitter. https://twitter.com/fema/status/1625617600104259584?s=20 https://twitter.com/fema/status/1625617600104259584?s=20 Why has FEMA not been contacted for assistance? What went into the decision to burn it off? What are the implications of that for local residents? How long are local residents going to live with this? What are we going to do to help the local ecology? What recourse is there for local residents who develop health issues from this? How long is this whole thing supposed to last in the water table? What are they gonna do to help prevent it? I could go on. Genuinely asking, could you not think of one of those? Aren't you curious about the decisions being made?
        jakear 4y ago
        > Why has FEMA not been contacted for assistance? >> We are monitoring the incident and remain in close contact with local officials who are handling the response on the ground. Sounds good to me. Not every happening in the country needs a dedicated slush fund. If officials determine that this does, FEMA has already been in close contact with the people who they need to be in close contact with. You want to be the one who determines this? Run for office or apply for the job. > What went into the decision to burn it off? What are the implications of that for local residents? To prevent an explosion, as explained here: https://www.newsweek.com/did-control-burn-toxic-chemicals-make-ohio-train-derailment-worse-1781273 https://www.newsweek.com/did-control-burn-toxic-chemicals-ma... This was very easy to find on Bing. Did you do any research at all or just expect the media to spoon feed you answers? > How long are local residents going to live with this? Not something that can be answered by anything but waiting and seeing. > What are we going to do to help the local ecology? How long is this whole thing supposed to last in the water table? I don't expect this to be something that is known right now. But I can bet that scientists the country over are investigating. > What are they gonna do to help prevent it? Literally the main question in the media. Assigning blame to some party/policy/whatever, in order to adopt a change. Plenty more of Fox relaying EPA analysis and demanding action from government here: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ohio-republican-invites-buttigieg-east-palestine-town-hall-train-derailment-save-seat https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ohio-republican-invites-but...
chucksta 4y ago
What advancements has there been with the balloons? The entire time its been "its definitely not aliens, but we don't know what it is, and we can't recover the debris for reasons" Is the ecological damage and impact to residents not an ongoing event? Elected officials responses to the event/pressing them for one, informing people of proposed changes to make sure it doesn't happen again

llanowarelves 4y ago

And the coverage of the "spill" took almost two weeks to start ramping up

mrguyorama 4y ago

I have at this point heard, saw, read 10x as much about this damn derailment as the multiple objects downed around north america. In fact, the fourth one was barely even referred to in the places people post stuff, while there were three instances of headline articles on the front page all with top comments saying "the media isn't reporting on this and is instead reporting on the balloons" Like... It's just not true? Right now, on r/news, 7 of the top 25 articles are about Ohio, plus an extra article about an entirely different small industrial accident somewhere else, with only two articles about the balloons, specifically China's bitching about them.

Izkata 4y ago
The derailment was almost two weeks ago; last week that sentiment was mostly true. The story seems to only have really blown up this past weekend, and people are kind of still stuck on how it wasn't a big story until then.