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Wow. These are the free-speech rankings for colleges in the US: https://rankings.thefire.org/rank https://rankings.thefire.org/rank Of the top 6 that are rate

by msravi 4y ago

Wow. These are the free-speech rankings for colleges in the US: https://rankings.thefire.org/rank https://rankings.thefire.org/rank Of the top 6 that are rated "Good," L=Liberal to C=Conservative ratios are telling: 1. University of Chicago, L:C = 4 : 1 2. Kansas State University, L:C = 1 : 1.3 3. Purdue (main campus), L:C = 1.1 : 1 4. Mississippi State Univ, L:C = 1 : 1.9 5. Oklahoma State Univ, L:C = 1 : 1.2 6. Claremont McKenna, L:C = 5.2 : 1 The bottom 6 (Poor, Very poor or abysmal): 198. Yale, L:C = 5.2 : 1 199. Skidmore, L:C = 11.8 : 1 200. Georgetown, L:C = 3.3 : 1 201. Rensselaer Poly, L:C = 2.3 : 1 202. U. of Pennsylvania, L:C = 5.9 : 1 203. Columbia, L:C = 6.8 : 1 Looks like there's been a flip in the definitions of liberal and conservative, at least wrt free-speech

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packetlost 4y ago
> Looks like there's been a flip in the definitions of liberal and conservative, at least wrt free-speech I mean, yeah? There is definitely a side more concerned with suppressing speech they consider reprehensible than the other and those roles have definitely switched in the last like 30 years.
- TechBro8615 4y ago
  Glenn Greenwald writes (rants) about this often. The same phenomenon is observable in polls of institutional loyalty ("how much do you trust the FBI/CIA/NSA?") with results starkly inverted from twenty years ago. In fact, this is so central to Greenwald's general thesis that the image of this graph was his Twitter cover photo for a long time. Liberals have become cheerleaders for the same security state they warned against for years. The FBI has not changed tactics; they're still entrapping autistic people as "terrorists," but now they've switched their focus from Muslims to Republicans, they've silenced their liberal critics, who are happy to trust the police state so long as it furthers their agenda. The funny thing to me, is that the data objectively shows this, and Greenwald has good reason to rant about it: he has been one of the most vocal liberal critics of the security state for two decades, yet now finds himself alone, suddenly surrounded by conservatives while angry liberals call him a right wing grifter who's lost his way. But in fact it's the opposite; Greenwald has been steadfast in his principled opposition, whereas his previously stalwart allies have abandoned him in favor of reactionary politics that fits their confirmation bias.

by msravi 4y ago

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packetlost 4y ago

> Looks like there's been a flip in the definitions of liberal and conservative, at least wrt free-speech I mean, yeah? There is definitely a side more concerned with suppressing speech they consider reprehensible than the other and those roles have definitely switched in the last like 30 years.

TechBro8615 4y ago
Glenn Greenwald writes (rants) about this often. The same phenomenon is observable in polls of institutional loyalty ("how much do you trust the FBI/CIA/NSA?") with results starkly inverted from twenty years ago. In fact, this is so central to Greenwald's general thesis that the image of this graph was his Twitter cover photo for a long time. Liberals have become cheerleaders for the same security state they warned against for years. The FBI has not changed tactics; they're still entrapping autistic people as "terrorists," but now they've switched their focus from Muslims to Republicans, they've silenced their liberal critics, who are happy to trust the police state so long as it furthers their agenda. The funny thing to me, is that the data objectively shows this, and Greenwald has good reason to rant about it: he has been one of the most vocal liberal critics of the security state for two decades, yet now finds himself alone, suddenly surrounded by conservatives while angry liberals call him a right wing grifter who's lost his way. But in fact it's the opposite; Greenwald has been steadfast in his principled opposition, whereas his previously stalwart allies have abandoned him in favor of reactionary politics that fits their confirmation bias.