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You make assumptions on what the other side wants and build your arguments on that. It's not about blaming China, you're already doing that. If you ask me Fauci

You make assumptions on what the other side wants and build your arguments on that. It's not about blaming China, you're already doing that. If you ask me Fauci and Dazsak are much more interesting as culprits. The Chinese are completely irrelevant. My conclusions by looking at the facts are very sinister. If I told you you were going to vaccinate 5-year olds with new tech for flu-like symptoms 5 years ago you'd call me crazy. But here we are, and you're asking me about masks. Masks are the last thing on my mind, but that doesn't mean I don't wash my hands and run around coughing on old people. I care about some people answering difficult questions and getting jail time, but we'll see their friends asking fluffy cute questions. The greatest trick they pulled was to politisize it and get normal people fighting eachother over facemasks while they're swimming in profits.

hotpotamus 4y ago
We've long given vaccines to children 5 and younger, and yes, people made money from that. I'd love to see some structural changes to for profit healthcare in the US, but if it's a problem, then it's hardly limited to vaccines. I suppose I am just not all that bothered in retrospect by the pandemic response of the US. If anything, I wonder how it could have been improved so that the 1 million Americans who died would not have, but I also learned that living through a pandemic is still not something we have all that much control over even with modern technology.
- worksonmine 4y ago
  The difference is we used to care what was in those vaccines and their effects, not just that everyone got them no matter the cost/benefit ratio. I don't mind smallpox vaccines but putting kids on subscription vaccines for a disease that has no risk for them is just brain dead. And this was known before they were rolled out in that age group. It was entirely political at that point.
  - hotpotamus 4y ago
    I'm not really aware of the risk/reward levels of different vaccines for different age groups, but to imply that we used to care about what got put into vaccines but no longer do seems quite silly - the "vaccines cause autism" idea got going in the early 90's. But low as the risks of either may be, I wonder - did more children die of covid or of covid vaccination?
    - worksonmine 4y ago
      Almost no children died of covid, a rounding error. It wasn't a problem for them and shouldn't have been made out to be. Old people died from the flu before covid but we didn't vaccinate kids to protect them back then, what changed? The problem is we really don't know what effects mRNA can have and anyone who claims they do are lying. So why was it pushed so hard?
      - hotpotamus 4y ago
        I've gotten an annual flu shot since adolescence and I'd recommend that everyone of every age do so as well, mostly because of the consequences I suffered when I failed to do so. Again, I'm far from an expert, but I've been told that RNA vaccines have been studied for a couple decades now, but the recent vaccines were the first widespread use. But won't a virus deliver several orders of magnitude more RNA to you anyway? Speaking for myself, I've personally known many people including myself who have gotten a variety of vaccines with zero long term consequences, though I did have one friend who gets knocked on his ass for a day or two by them. It's those that chose to forgo the vaccine who have suffered life altering consequences as a result. I actually was talking to a friend yesterday who's thinking about applying for disability since he's tried several times to return to his job as a waiter and been too weak to do the job. Of course, new technologies will always have the risk of novel effects I suppose. Frankly if I had kids, I'd be more concerned about their constant attachment to phones/tablets and social media like Tiktok or the like. It's hard for me to tell if that's just me getting old and grumpy about technology or if these are in fact new and novel risks, but it's impossible not to notice all the children being carted around with their faces essentially attached to some screen or other.

hotpotamus 4y ago

We've long given vaccines to children 5 and younger, and yes, people made money from that. I'd love to see some structural changes to for profit healthcare in the US, but if it's a problem, then it's hardly limited to vaccines. I suppose I am just not all that bothered in retrospect by the pandemic response of the US. If anything, I wonder how it could have been improved so that the 1 million Americans who died would not have, but I also learned that living through a pandemic is still not something we have all that much control over even with modern technology.

worksonmine 4y ago
The difference is we used to care what was in those vaccines and their effects, not just that everyone got them no matter the cost/benefit ratio. I don't mind smallpox vaccines but putting kids on subscription vaccines for a disease that has no risk for them is just brain dead. And this was known before they were rolled out in that age group. It was entirely political at that point.
- hotpotamus 4y ago
  I'm not really aware of the risk/reward levels of different vaccines for different age groups, but to imply that we used to care about what got put into vaccines but no longer do seems quite silly - the "vaccines cause autism" idea got going in the early 90's. But low as the risks of either may be, I wonder - did more children die of covid or of covid vaccination?
  - worksonmine 4y ago
    Almost no children died of covid, a rounding error. It wasn't a problem for them and shouldn't have been made out to be. Old people died from the flu before covid but we didn't vaccinate kids to protect them back then, what changed? The problem is we really don't know what effects mRNA can have and anyone who claims they do are lying. So why was it pushed so hard?
    - hotpotamus 4y ago
      I've gotten an annual flu shot since adolescence and I'd recommend that everyone of every age do so as well, mostly because of the consequences I suffered when I failed to do so. Again, I'm far from an expert, but I've been told that RNA vaccines have been studied for a couple decades now, but the recent vaccines were the first widespread use. But won't a virus deliver several orders of magnitude more RNA to you anyway? Speaking for myself, I've personally known many people including myself who have gotten a variety of vaccines with zero long term consequences, though I did have one friend who gets knocked on his ass for a day or two by them. It's those that chose to forgo the vaccine who have suffered life altering consequences as a result. I actually was talking to a friend yesterday who's thinking about applying for disability since he's tried several times to return to his job as a waiter and been too weak to do the job. Of course, new technologies will always have the risk of novel effects I suppose. Frankly if I had kids, I'd be more concerned about their constant attachment to phones/tablets and social media like Tiktok or the like. It's hard for me to tell if that's just me getting old and grumpy about technology or if these are in fact new and novel risks, but it's impossible not to notice all the children being carted around with their faces essentially attached to some screen or other.