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Does it mean that people who use Linode for Linode should be preparing to move out?

apple4ever 4y ago
I certainly would
geuis 4y ago
This is what I've been worried about since the acquisition. I've been a loyal customer for over a decade and hosted jsonip.com there for 12 years. Now I seriously need to look for alternative hosting if/when the corpo overlords decide to start changing the offered products.
- scandox 4y ago
  I do business with Akamai on the DNS side and actually find them to be really supportive and flexible.
- dachryn 4y ago
  I've been with DigitalOcean for a very long time, their prices seem comparable to Linode, I always saw them marketed more or less the same. In fact, I don't even know why one would pick Linode over DigitalOcean or vice versa
  - herbst 4y ago
    Same with Vultr if anyone still looking for options. Their new AMD power line is really worth looking into.
    - hereforphone 4y ago
      Beware of Vultr. The product works fine but the customer service is horrible. I had three days of downtime and they got sick of me asking for updates, ignored me, and didn't tell me when the service came back up. I switched back to DO and I'm fine with that again.
      - herbst 4y ago
        The be fair I had something similar happen with DO before. If I want stellar support I don't go with a affordable mega coorperation.
  - gibolt 4y ago
    I tried both, and stuck with DO. Linode UI was superclunky when you needed to dive into it, but DO was great. Any search for how to X immediately returned great documentation.
    - rapind 4y ago
      Slicehost (acquired by rackspace) pioneered this type of in depth how to guides for webhosting on linux. In fact many of the setup docs on DO seem oddly familiar…
      - mleo 4y ago
        If Linode on Akamai follows the Slicehost on Rackspace model, the product will only last 3 years or so.
        rapind 4y ago
        Oh it’s already over. I moved all of my stuff off in the past year.
    - KyeRussell 4y ago
      Is “DO documentation” in this instance referring to the knowledge base of (usually really poorly written) tutorials DO got people to write for them by offering them very paltry sums as some sort of SEO play?
  - tambre 4y ago
    Is their IPv6 implementation is still broken? It was the reason I moved off immediately after banging my head for a few hours because they somehow managed to screw it up despite RFCs advising how to do such deployments.
  - LinAGKar 4y ago
    There are some small differences. For example, Linode has a wider choice of distros.
  - dspillett 4y ago
    > In fact, I don't even know why one would pick Linode over DigitalOcean or vice versa For a lot of people “momentum” is a factor: Linode has been around for significantly longer and has been fairly stable/reliable for the whole of that time even implementing a couple of complete tech stack changes¹ better than many other companies seem to manage. In the early days they were ahead of their time. While Linode were at the head of the pack for a while, their product range, features, and UX, did stagnate at certain times, at those points DO and other companies looked more attractive for new customers. As the market for such services has homogenised somewhat, with there being few genuinely unique-to-one-provider offerings, small differences in price/features at the scale you are buying, and differences in where data-centres are located & what their bandwidth peering is like from the PoV of your target users, are usually the deciding factors. All other things being equal, check if any of them has a special offer on! -- [1] Their services were originally user-mode-linux based², then switched to Xen³, then to KVM. [2] I used them during that period. [3] at the time of that switch I'd just moved to UML on a dedicated server for my own stuff, and later moved to a mix of containers & KVM.
  - dom96 4y ago
    I used to use Linode, then they got hacked and leaked my CC details twice (IIRC) and at that point I switched to DigitalOcean. Guessing many are in a similar boat.
    - red-iron-pine 4y ago
      Exact same story. Linode was fine but after their breaches I headed to DO and haven't looked back. Heard good things about Vultr but no experience w/ them.
  - pomatic 4y ago
    Because DigitalOcean have dark patterns around their subscriptions - they charge for the capability to deploy, not for actual deployments. It's counter intuitive and, however I look at it, I can't get away from the notion that it is a really scummy way of doing business. Which is why I voted with my feet and choose to do business elsewhere.
  - nly 4y ago
    Hetzner cloud anyone?
  - ubermonkey 4y ago
    I use Linode as a provider for small Linux VMs. Does Digital Ocean offer this service at prices competitive with (legacy) Linode? The site is a confusing mess of buzzwords and made-up terms, which is nothing like the straightforward presentation that was part of the attraction for Linode (and for Slicehost before them). I find DO immediately offputting.
    - bovermyer 4y ago
      You may enjoy Hetzner instead, then. I used to use Linode ten years ago, but eventually switched to Digital Ocean. I switched to using Hetzner instead of Digital Ocean a couple years ago.
      - ubermonkey 4y ago
        Huh. Good tip. Thanks!
  - mattl 4y ago
    Digital Ocean has a bot problem that I don’t see from Linode. Way too many bots and other automated stuff running on throwaway DO nodes.
thaumaturgy 4y ago
The writing's been on the wall for a couple of years now and Akamai doesn't have a strong presence in smaller niches. I moved most of my stuff over to DigitalOcean a while back. The few remaining instances are now an urgent todo.
djbusby 4y ago
I am! Heading over to OVH.
ubermonkey 4y ago
It sure looks like it. I thought that the moment they got bought. Same thing happened with Slicehost. They got absorbed by the Rackspace borg, which ruined everything we found appealing at SH -- so we found Linode. I guess now I'm looking for the new Linode/Slicehost style provider. Sucks.
- bioemerl 4y ago
  Is anything wrong with digital ocean? This name change has me wanting to jump ship as well.
  - baggachipz 4y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34803696 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34803696
    - bioemerl 4y ago
      That doesn't bother me as a customer. If the company is laying people off it's probably also getting more efficient and therefore cheaper.
      - jayparth 4y ago
        Empirically, it doesn't really correlate
      - taskforcegemini 4y ago
        that money just goes somewhere else. I'd rather see it invested in technology/service than management, marketing etc
  - dventimi 4y ago
    Evidently DO is doing layoffs and their support may be suffering for it. So there's that.
  - spiffytech 4y ago
ShakataGaNai 4y ago
The writing has been on the wall for a while. Linode was great and reliable for a time, but their pace of development of new features has slowed significantly. That's not a problem per se but as Akamai muscles in more and more, it's clear the "good ol' Linode" was dead. Not specific to this announcement today, but as of a few weeks ago I terminated my Linode account, which had been my primary and active hosting provider since Feb 2010.
- JellyBeanThief 4y ago
  May I ask where you migrated to?
stephenr 4y ago
A client of mine has used Linode for several years, increasing from 2 low end VMs when I first started with them, to the current 8 machines (well technically it's 13 right now but the 5 extras are because of their network migration breaking stuff and us needing to setup new VMs) Not completely because of, but definitely somewhat because of the buyout, my client has agreed they should diversify and we're going to adapt it from a fault-tolerant single location (i.e. right now there are no SPOFs for them except the DC itself going dark), to three independent locations, with less fault tolerance per DC, but greater overall resilience. One location will probably stay with Linode, but the other two definitely won't be Linode (they'll almost certainly each be a different vendor). The benefit for us is that adopting multiple (individually) lower-resilience locations means we can be less picky about the host for a given location, because we're not using as many "advanced" features at each location, due to the vastly reduced complexity at the individual DCs. Vultr and Digital Ocean *seem* like the obvious "Linode type services but not Linode" vendors, but neither seem to have a fantastic reputation from what I've seen. OVH and Hetzner seem like two alternatives that may be worth checking out more, but they both seem to have an almost-intentionally complex service offering list, and it's hard to tell if some fairly basic things are available with plain VPS services (e.g. private IP addresses).

I certainly would

This is what I've been worried about since the acquisition. I've been a loyal customer for over a decade and hosted jsonip.com there for 12 years. Now I seriously need to look for alternative hosting if/when the corpo overlords decide to start changing the offered products.

scandox 4y ago
I do business with Akamai on the DNS side and actually find them to be really supportive and flexible.
dachryn 4y ago
I've been with DigitalOcean for a very long time, their prices seem comparable to Linode, I always saw them marketed more or less the same. In fact, I don't even know why one would pick Linode over DigitalOcean or vice versa
- herbst 4y ago
  Same with Vultr if anyone still looking for options. Their new AMD power line is really worth looking into.
  - hereforphone 4y ago
    Beware of Vultr. The product works fine but the customer service is horrible. I had three days of downtime and they got sick of me asking for updates, ignored me, and didn't tell me when the service came back up. I switched back to DO and I'm fine with that again.
    - herbst 4y ago
      The be fair I had something similar happen with DO before. If I want stellar support I don't go with a affordable mega coorperation.
- gibolt 4y ago
  I tried both, and stuck with DO. Linode UI was superclunky when you needed to dive into it, but DO was great. Any search for how to X immediately returned great documentation.
  - rapind 4y ago
    Slicehost (acquired by rackspace) pioneered this type of in depth how to guides for webhosting on linux. In fact many of the setup docs on DO seem oddly familiar…
    - mleo 4y ago
      If Linode on Akamai follows the Slicehost on Rackspace model, the product will only last 3 years or so.
      - rapind 4y ago
        Oh it’s already over. I moved all of my stuff off in the past year.
  - KyeRussell 4y ago
    Is “DO documentation” in this instance referring to the knowledge base of (usually really poorly written) tutorials DO got people to write for them by offering them very paltry sums as some sort of SEO play?
- tambre 4y ago
  Is their IPv6 implementation is still broken? It was the reason I moved off immediately after banging my head for a few hours because they somehow managed to screw it up despite RFCs advising how to do such deployments.
- LinAGKar 4y ago
  There are some small differences. For example, Linode has a wider choice of distros.
- dspillett 4y ago
  > In fact, I don't even know why one would pick Linode over DigitalOcean or vice versa For a lot of people “momentum” is a factor: Linode has been around for significantly longer and has been fairly stable/reliable for the whole of that time even implementing a couple of complete tech stack changes¹ better than many other companies seem to manage. In the early days they were ahead of their time. While Linode were at the head of the pack for a while, their product range, features, and UX, did stagnate at certain times, at those points DO and other companies looked more attractive for new customers. As the market for such services has homogenised somewhat, with there being few genuinely unique-to-one-provider offerings, small differences in price/features at the scale you are buying, and differences in where data-centres are located & what their bandwidth peering is like from the PoV of your target users, are usually the deciding factors. All other things being equal, check if any of them has a special offer on! -- [1] Their services were originally user-mode-linux based², then switched to Xen³, then to KVM. [2] I used them during that period. [3] at the time of that switch I'd just moved to UML on a dedicated server for my own stuff, and later moved to a mix of containers & KVM.
- dom96 4y ago
  I used to use Linode, then they got hacked and leaked my CC details twice (IIRC) and at that point I switched to DigitalOcean. Guessing many are in a similar boat.
  - red-iron-pine 4y ago
    Exact same story. Linode was fine but after their breaches I headed to DO and haven't looked back. Heard good things about Vultr but no experience w/ them.
- pomatic 4y ago
  Because DigitalOcean have dark patterns around their subscriptions - they charge for the capability to deploy, not for actual deployments. It's counter intuitive and, however I look at it, I can't get away from the notion that it is a really scummy way of doing business. Which is why I voted with my feet and choose to do business elsewhere.
- nly 4y ago
  Hetzner cloud anyone?
- ubermonkey 4y ago
  I use Linode as a provider for small Linux VMs. Does Digital Ocean offer this service at prices competitive with (legacy) Linode? The site is a confusing mess of buzzwords and made-up terms, which is nothing like the straightforward presentation that was part of the attraction for Linode (and for Slicehost before them). I find DO immediately offputting.
  - bovermyer 4y ago
    You may enjoy Hetzner instead, then. I used to use Linode ten years ago, but eventually switched to Digital Ocean. I switched to using Hetzner instead of Digital Ocean a couple years ago.
    - ubermonkey 4y ago
      Huh. Good tip. Thanks!
- mattl 4y ago
  Digital Ocean has a bot problem that I don’t see from Linode. Way too many bots and other automated stuff running on throwaway DO nodes.

thaumaturgy 4y ago

The writing's been on the wall for a couple of years now and Akamai doesn't have a strong presence in smaller niches. I moved most of my stuff over to DigitalOcean a while back. The few remaining instances are now an urgent todo.

djbusby 4y ago

I am! Heading over to OVH.

ubermonkey 4y ago

It sure looks like it. I thought that the moment they got bought. Same thing happened with Slicehost. They got absorbed by the Rackspace borg, which ruined everything we found appealing at SH -- so we found Linode. I guess now I'm looking for the new Linode/Slicehost style provider. Sucks.

bioemerl 4y ago
Is anything wrong with digital ocean? This name change has me wanting to jump ship as well.
- baggachipz 4y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34803696 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34803696
  - bioemerl 4y ago
    That doesn't bother me as a customer. If the company is laying people off it's probably also getting more efficient and therefore cheaper.
    - jayparth 4y ago
      Empirically, it doesn't really correlate
    - taskforcegemini 4y ago
      that money just goes somewhere else. I'd rather see it invested in technology/service than management, marketing etc
- dventimi 4y ago
  Evidently DO is doing layoffs and their support may be suffering for it. So there's that.
- spiffytech 4y ago

ShakataGaNai 4y ago

The writing has been on the wall for a while. Linode was great and reliable for a time, but their pace of development of new features has slowed significantly. That's not a problem per se but as Akamai muscles in more and more, it's clear the "good ol' Linode" was dead. Not specific to this announcement today, but as of a few weeks ago I terminated my Linode account, which had been my primary and active hosting provider since Feb 2010.

JellyBeanThief 4y ago
May I ask where you migrated to?

stephenr 4y ago

A client of mine has used Linode for several years, increasing from 2 low end VMs when I first started with them, to the current 8 machines (well technically it's 13 right now but the 5 extras are because of their network migration breaking stuff and us needing to setup new VMs) Not completely because of, but definitely somewhat because of the buyout, my client has agreed they should diversify and we're going to adapt it from a fault-tolerant single location (i.e. right now there are no SPOFs for them except the DC itself going dark), to three independent locations, with less fault tolerance per DC, but greater overall resilience. One location will probably stay with Linode, but the other two definitely won't be Linode (they'll almost certainly each be a different vendor). The benefit for us is that adopting multiple (individually) lower-resilience locations means we can be less picky about the host for a given location, because we're not using as many "advanced" features at each location, due to the vastly reduced complexity at the individual DCs. Vultr and Digital Ocean *seem* like the obvious "Linode type services but not Linode" vendors, but neither seem to have a fantastic reputation from what I've seen. OVH and Hetzner seem like two alternatives that may be worth checking out more, but they both seem to have an almost-intentionally complex service offering list, and it's hard to tell if some fairly basic things are available with plain VPS services (e.g. private IP addresses).