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I think it is interesting they express music as some sort of universal when deaf people exist, and there are even able bodied people who just do not like music.

roarcher 4y ago
Communication tends to be easier when people just say what they have to say, instead of qualifying every single statement with every possible exception that could ever exist.
ocimbote 4y ago
Deaf people can feel the music at various degrees. Some deaf people even quite famously were composers themselves. Also, not liking music doesn't mean you don't feel anything. And lastly, some people indeed have an inability of feeling but that typically extends beyond the realm of music, so it does not remove anything from the statement of the author.
- irrational 4y ago
  I have musical anhedonia. Music does absolutely nothing for me. No emotional response at all. In my 50+ years of life I have never heard a single piece of music that gives me the chills, unless by that phrase we mean that all the music leaves me cold. But, to the best of my knowledge this doesn’t extend beyond the realm of music for me. Though, on other odd thing about me is that I do not dream at night. At least, I’ve never woken up and remembered dreaming. I do have a vivid imagination during the day. I’m not sure if the non-music and non-dreaming are related or not. Other than those two things, I think I’m completely normal.
  - khazhoux 4y ago
    This is quite fascinating. Would love to hear more. Have you ever enjoyed any music whatsoever? What about movies? Reading fiction? Looking at art / photography?
    - irrational 4y ago
      I’ve never enjoyed any music. I do enjoy movies, reading fiction, creating and looking at art, etc.
      - poisonarena 4y ago
        does the addition of a soundtrack help you enjoy movies? surely that is part of the whole package.
        irrational 4y ago
        Have you ever seen those videos where they take out the music track from a movie clip but leave everything else? The point it to show how much better the music ads to the movie. But it is fine for me without the music. I’d actually prefer it without the music since I find the music often makes it more difficult to understand what people are saying.
      - grugagag 4y ago
        Do you enjoy soundscapes in movies? Sometimes I get the chills at the sound of the wind blowing, rain, etc. What Im trying to determine is whether it is music or general sound your brain circuitry doesn’t care to release dopamine..
  - worthless-trash 4y ago
    You are not alone. I too do not feel any kind of emotional influence from music, at least not any different than it would be if the words were read. I do however dream at night 10-12 dreams a night.
  - ocimbote 4y ago
    Thanks for sharing. I wrongly assumed that it could not come isolated. The specificity makes even more interesting. If you have resources to share beyond your own experience, they'd be welcome.
  - bakul 4y ago
    Is it any kind of music? There are so many kinds of music in the world, perhaps one of them resonates with you? For me, it is very different. Almost any genre of music can move me. As for dreams I can even dream when I’m only half asleep. Not sure there is a connection.
    - irrational 4y ago
      I’ve never heard any sort of music that moves me. Maybe there is one, but I haven’t heard it yet.
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whateveracct 4y ago
It's still a widespread as human phenomenon though.
pdntspa 4y ago
You should watch a movie, "It's All Gone Pete Tong" It's about a deaf DJ
fsckboy 4y ago
when people say music is a universal, they mean that music is universal in all human cultures. that a small %age of people in this culture or that culture don't like music doesn't stop it from being a cultural universal. (if there is a parsing of a sentence that means what the speaker means and is true, that's good enough, and whether someone can find an alternate parsing which fails might be interesting, but doesn't take away from the intended meaning)
coldtea 4y ago
Yes, they write as if it's common sense (which isn't, as some don't have it) that when people generalize (of course, not all people), and that everybody understands (well, not really everybody, but many) that all things have exceptions (well, not all, but many. Some things don't have exceptions, e.g. some mathematical axioms), but it's still useful (except when it's harmful of course) to generalize for the most common case, and not give a laundry list (of course I'm speaking metaphorically, I don't refer to an actual list of laundry items) of exceptions every time we say something... It's obvious (well, not to everybody, but to a certain large number of people) that instead they should include the cartesian product of all possible exception as extra qualification of their statement... And God forbid (not actual God of course, as he don't exist) that somebody writes something like "Alaska is cold" when there are places in Alaska, like the inside of ovens and saunas, that are objectively quite warm (though, of course, not as warm as the Sun)...

roarcher 4y ago

Communication tends to be easier when people just say what they have to say, instead of qualifying every single statement with every possible exception that could ever exist.

ocimbote 4y ago

Deaf people can feel the music at various degrees. Some deaf people even quite famously were composers themselves. Also, not liking music doesn't mean you don't feel anything. And lastly, some people indeed have an inability of feeling but that typically extends beyond the realm of music, so it does not remove anything from the statement of the author.

irrational 4y ago
I have musical anhedonia. Music does absolutely nothing for me. No emotional response at all. In my 50+ years of life I have never heard a single piece of music that gives me the chills, unless by that phrase we mean that all the music leaves me cold. But, to the best of my knowledge this doesn’t extend beyond the realm of music for me. Though, on other odd thing about me is that I do not dream at night. At least, I’ve never woken up and remembered dreaming. I do have a vivid imagination during the day. I’m not sure if the non-music and non-dreaming are related or not. Other than those two things, I think I’m completely normal.
- khazhoux 4y ago
  This is quite fascinating. Would love to hear more. Have you ever enjoyed any music whatsoever? What about movies? Reading fiction? Looking at art / photography?
  - irrational 4y ago
    I’ve never enjoyed any music. I do enjoy movies, reading fiction, creating and looking at art, etc.
    - poisonarena 4y ago
      does the addition of a soundtrack help you enjoy movies? surely that is part of the whole package.
      - irrational 4y ago
        Have you ever seen those videos where they take out the music track from a movie clip but leave everything else? The point it to show how much better the music ads to the movie. But it is fine for me without the music. I’d actually prefer it without the music since I find the music often makes it more difficult to understand what people are saying.
    - grugagag 4y ago
      Do you enjoy soundscapes in movies? Sometimes I get the chills at the sound of the wind blowing, rain, etc. What Im trying to determine is whether it is music or general sound your brain circuitry doesn’t care to release dopamine..
- worthless-trash 4y ago
  You are not alone. I too do not feel any kind of emotional influence from music, at least not any different than it would be if the words were read. I do however dream at night 10-12 dreams a night.
- ocimbote 4y ago
  Thanks for sharing. I wrongly assumed that it could not come isolated. The specificity makes even more interesting. If you have resources to share beyond your own experience, they'd be welcome.
- bakul 4y ago
  Is it any kind of music? There are so many kinds of music in the world, perhaps one of them resonates with you? For me, it is very different. Almost any genre of music can move me. As for dreams I can even dream when I’m only half asleep. Not sure there is a connection.
  - irrational 4y ago
    I’ve never heard any sort of music that moves me. Maybe there is one, but I haven’t heard it yet.

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whateveracct 4y ago

It's still a widespread as human phenomenon though.

pdntspa 4y ago

You should watch a movie, "It's All Gone Pete Tong" It's about a deaf DJ

fsckboy 4y ago

when people say music is a universal, they mean that music is universal in all human cultures. that a small %age of people in this culture or that culture don't like music doesn't stop it from being a cultural universal. (if there is a parsing of a sentence that means what the speaker means and is true, that's good enough, and whether someone can find an alternate parsing which fails might be interesting, but doesn't take away from the intended meaning)

coldtea 4y ago

Yes, they write as if it's common sense (which isn't, as some don't have it) that when people generalize (of course, not all people), and that everybody understands (well, not really everybody, but many) that all things have exceptions (well, not all, but many. Some things don't have exceptions, e.g. some mathematical axioms), but it's still useful (except when it's harmful of course) to generalize for the most common case, and not give a laundry list (of course I'm speaking metaphorically, I don't refer to an actual list of laundry items) of exceptions every time we say something... It's obvious (well, not to everybody, but to a certain large number of people) that instead they should include the cartesian product of all possible exception as extra qualification of their statement... And God forbid (not actual God of course, as he don't exist) that somebody writes something like "Alaska is cold" when there are places in Alaska, like the inside of ovens and saunas, that are objectively quite warm (though, of course, not as warm as the Sun)...