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If it can produce the current results without anything like a brain - which it does - I don't see how knowing that its 100x better at pulling shit out of its as

If it can produce the current results without anything like a brain - which it does - I don't see how knowing that its 100x better at pulling shit out of its ass is going to make the experience better. Yes it will become impossible to tell by talking to it that has no brain; but since we know the path that brought it there included no brains at all, it would be a mistake to think we've realized General AI. Until it actually creates some substantiative achievement, such as designing a workable cold fusion setup I'm not going to recognize it as a super-intelligence.

yCombLinks 4y ago
Ahh, so being as intelligent as an average intelligence is no longer sufficient to declare it intelligent. Now it must surpass all of our achievements. 99.9% of people will never "create some substantiative achievement".
- jeremyjh 4y ago
  I said to call it super-intelligent. To demonstrate super-intelligence it would need to demonstrate real creative powers that are beyond us in both scope and direction. That isn't necessary to prove that this is productive work; but I think it is necessary to temper some of the enthusiasm I see in this thread that all but call it a super-intelligence.
  - eru 4y ago
    Maybe you are right. As an observation: a human of normal intelligence but with much better access to a calculator and to Wikipedia, or even just external storage (faster than pen-and-paper) would already be super-human.
hanniabu 4y ago
Considering all the info comes from human generated content, I think a better term would be Collective Intelligence rather than artificial intelligence
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  But it doesn't have perfect representations of everything it was trained on, only probabilistic compression essentially. It's more like a bloom filter than a database.
dougmwne 4y ago
There go those goalposts, speeding off into the distance. Ok, so it needs to be able to invent cold fusion for you to recognize it as intelligent? Can you invent cold fusion? Have you ever invented anything at all? I would think a good measure of intelligence would be to index it against human age development milestones, not this cold fusion business.

yCombLinks 4y ago

Ahh, so being as intelligent as an average intelligence is no longer sufficient to declare it intelligent. Now it must surpass all of our achievements. 99.9% of people will never "create some substantiative achievement".

jeremyjh 4y ago
I said to call it super-intelligent. To demonstrate super-intelligence it would need to demonstrate real creative powers that are beyond us in both scope and direction. That isn't necessary to prove that this is productive work; but I think it is necessary to temper some of the enthusiasm I see in this thread that all but call it a super-intelligence.
- eru 4y ago
  Maybe you are right. As an observation: a human of normal intelligence but with much better access to a calculator and to Wikipedia, or even just external storage (faster than pen-and-paper) would already be super-human.

hanniabu 4y ago

Considering all the info comes from human generated content, I think a better term would be Collective Intelligence rather than artificial intelligence

mrguyorama 4y ago
But it doesn't have perfect representations of everything it was trained on, only probabilistic compression essentially. It's more like a bloom filter than a database.

dougmwne 4y ago

There go those goalposts, speeding off into the distance. Ok, so it needs to be able to invent cold fusion for you to recognize it as intelligent? Can you invent cold fusion? Have you ever invented anything at all? I would think a good measure of intelligence would be to index it against human age development milestones, not this cold fusion business.