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What’s a good alternative for Linode these days? I just want a vps where I can install Debian, be root, and have a web and email server. A 4gb Linode has been e

What’s a good alternative for Linode these days? I just want a vps where I can install Debian, be root, and have a web and email server. A 4gb Linode has been enough for my needs for years.

artellectual 4y ago
How about digitalocean? or vultr?
- geerlingguy 4y ago
  DigitalOcean has been a good companion to Linode. It seems like many of the offerings are either on par or better, though some prices are a little higher.
ge96 4y ago
OVH
- mindcrime 4y ago
  I started migrating from Linode to OVH a while back (Probably a year and a half or so ago). Parked the migration for a while, and started in earnest again a couple of months ago. All told, my experiences with OVH have been fairly positive. There's a quirk here and there that annoys me, but the same is true for every cloud provider to some extent. Still, on balance, I'd have no problem recommending OVH. If anybody cares to know, the single biggest annoyance I have with them is this: you can't launch a VPS that comes up with an ssh key pre-configured for passwordless ssh access, at least not the first time around. Unless they've changed it recently anyway, the option to specify an ssh key only appears in the menu for re-installing an existing VPS. For a brand new one, your options are: 1. Turn around and immediately re-install it, so they add the key for you 2. Receive the password for the newly created instance in an email, and use it to login, upload the key, and configure passwordless ssh. I wound up writing a script to do the latter, so all I do is wait for the email to come, paste the password and IP into my script, and fire it off and it copies the key, and makes a few other small tweaks, then does sudo dnf -y upgrade, and then a sudo reboot. Once all that finishes I use Ansible to do everything else. By and large it all just works and is fine, but not being able to have the VPS come up with the ssh key already configured initially still bugs me a bit.
  - ge96 4y ago
    I think I accidentally removed my key remotely one time but thankfully the dashboard had a kvm
dingle_thunk 4y ago
Vultr is amazing on price/performance. I use it as a lab cloud, and for my more fun (or Windows) workloads. You slightly sacrifice reliability, but you get interesting options including odd OSes, and per-hour dedicated hardware. Definitely an innovative bunch. DigitalOcean offers solid uptime, a more professional operation, and typically better performance than Linode in benchmarks (https://www.vpsbenchmarks.com/screener https://www.vpsbenchmarks.com/screener). It has confusing marketing, but a good account dashboard and good docco/service. They're more in line with Linode, and will probably be the big winners if Linode/Akamai continue losing steam. I wouldn't go with OVH, and I would use caution with cheaper providers, unless you're comfortable with the risk of hiring people who would willingly build wooden data centres with no fire safely. There is such a thing as "too cheap". (https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/ovhcloud-fire-report-sbg2-data-center-had-wooden-ceilings-no-extinguisher-and-no-power-cut-out/ https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/ovhcloud-fire-rep...)
- eric-hu 4y ago
  > The Bas-Rhin fire service says that the SBG2 data center had no automatic fire extinguishing system and no general electrical cut-off switch. The facility also had a wooden ceiling rated to resist fire for only one hour, and a free-cooling design that created "chimneys" that increased the fire's ferocity. I recall seeing headlines here about the fires, but I didn't know their construction was this bad.
- icedchai 4y ago
  I second Vultr. They also have more advanced networking features, mainly BGP peering, that are uncommon with larger VPS providers. Their network seems super reliable.
- bdcravens 4y ago
  Vultr lets you bring your own ISO if they don't have exactly what you want.
- fomine3 4y ago
  Vultr is great for various locations. https://www.vultr.com/features/datacenter-locations/ https://www.vultr.com/features/datacenter-locations/
sashk 4y ago
Hetzner
- mdmglr 4y ago
  I traced email spam back to Hetzner servers. They refused to shut down the spammers. So I will refuse to do business with those crooks.
  - tomxor 4y ago
    To be fair I've traced malicious network attempts from Linode, Digital Ocean, Vultr, Hetzner... pretty much everyone, I assume due to the prevalence of vulnerable wordpress sites becoming part of botnets.
    - corobo 4y ago
      All providers will get abused, the difference is in the response. Namecheap lost all my 'loyalty' when I started tracing where all the SMS phish sites I was getting were hosted. Finding out this was Namecheap didn't sour me. Finding out they don't take the sites down quickly enough* to be worth reporting put the wheels in motion to move all my domains off them. Unfortunately I can no longer find what ticked me off in the first place as search engines are full of blogs writing about their recent email breach. * The NSC seems to agree with me rather than my expectations being too high (PDF, page 8) https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/files/Active-Cyber-Defence-ACD-The-Fourth-Year.pdf https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/files/Active-Cyber-Defence-ACD-The-F... > Looking specifically at the number of campaigns hosted by NameCheap against its monthly median attack availability, we see that by mid-year the median takedown times were consistently in excess of 60 hours. This undoubtedly made NameCheap an attractive proposition to host phishing and may explain the rise in monthly hosted campaigns that followed for UK government-themed phishing.
tailspin2019 4y ago
I’ve had good a good experience with UpCloud so far.
sabalaba 4y ago
For GPU instances, Lambda Cloud has A100s for $1.10/hr and A10 instances for $0.60/hr. https://lambdalabs.com/service/gpu-cloud https://lambdalabs.com/service/gpu-cloud
arp242 4y ago
Linode is still fine I think. A few months ago I looked around a bit for alternatives as I wondered if there are better deals out there, and nothing really jumped out as "wow, this obviously offers a much better price/quality service!" DigitalOcean seems about on-par; OVH and Hetzner are cheaper but seem less reliable, etc. Much depends on your exact needs of course. Who will know what Akamai will do in the future, but you can say "who knows what $anything will do in the future?" too. It's been a year and nothing has radically changed as near as I can tell. A naming rebrand is rather superficial.
- nik736 4y ago
  What makes you think that Hetzner "seem" to be less reliable?
ipaddr 4y ago
Just signup for the free Oracle cloud
- smoldesu 4y ago
  I despise Oracle with every bone in my body... but I must admit their Always-Free tier is the best deal in the game. 4 ARM cores to divvy up among 24gb of memory however you please... oh, and you get 2 extra 1c1gb x86 servers for whatever else you need. You want that on AWS, it will run you at least $40/month. Plus you get a better management interface with Oracle to boot. For any cash-strapped devs trying to make a simple build server or setup a remote dev environment, this seems like the best option to me. I depreciated like $15/month of Vultr VPSes last weekend by switching to their offerings. It's not the fastest but damn, it makes me wish it wasn't an apology for their crimes against FOSSmanity.
- joecool1029 4y ago
  Have tried, it's literally impossible for me to do it. I must be on some kind of internal blacklist. It's the only experience I've ever had with a company that took my details and refuses to explain why they won't let me have an account.
Gelob 4y ago
Limestone networks https://lstn.net https://lstn.net
- adql 4y ago
  At just double the price of Linode lmfao
kyriakos 4y ago
Hetzner been solid for me.
mdasen 4y ago
Hetzner is nice and cheap and now has two US data centers, but you will need to contact support to get SMTP ports unblocked I believe. If you had a 4GB/2-CPU Linode for $30, you could get an 8GB/2-CPU from Hetzner for €21.85 (~$23.45). If you were using Linode's shared-CPU nodes, that $20 4GB VPS would be €7.55 on Hetzner (~$8.10) or even €5.35 in their European data centers (~$5.74, their European data centers offer both Intel or AMD processors so you can get a 4GB/2-CPU intel box there, but in the US they're only offering their AMD servers which include 3-CPU so it's a tad more expensive due to fewer options).
- edwinyzh 4y ago
  I have a very bad, failed signing up experience with them...
nwilkens 4y ago
https://mnx.io https://mnx.io and would be happy to have you! We're a small team with great support -- since 2012.
- adql 4y ago
  You won't get many movers with 2x the price of L:inode for comparable instances...
  - nwilkens 4y ago
    I do understand.. and sometimes cheap is what you want. When you want something else -- like customer service, this is where mnx.io shines. I would consider mnx.io to be a boutique cloud provider, prioritize quality/reliability and customer service, allowing us to build close relationships with our customers. As a boutique provider, we know most of our customers by name and focus on providing the resources necessary to ensure reliable, long-term sustainability.
    - adql 4y ago
      Well I don't know much about Linode customer service because it all worked fine for 14 years... only thing I got is "your node is going to be migrated in X days, or press this key to migrate it now" few times when they were upgrading for new hardware. The one single issue I had 10 years ago was fixed within minutes of opening ticket too. So you're basically trying to advertise to a bunch of customers happy with service that's also cheaper than your service and offers more options (hosted databases, object store, DNS hosting)
      - nwilkens 4y ago
        That’s a great experience with Linode.. We’re certainly expanding our options and with our recent acquisition of Joyent’s Triton DataCenter it’s also 100% open source — maybe one day we get to talk again! Thanks for the feedback too.
glerk 4y ago
Until they start crippling Linode or increase their prices, I'll keep using it. Doesn't look like anything has changed yet except for the logo.
- coffeefirst 4y ago
  Yep. I've been running all my personal stuff on Linode for 11 years. Does this bode well? No. Am I going to migrate over a swapped logo? Also no.
AYBABTME 4y ago
DigitalOcean is the most serious developer-first cloud, in my biased opinion as an ex employee. I still use their cloud whenever I need to run something because I know it's mostly well built, price/performance is almost unrivalled. I'd run my stuff on DO before Azure all the time, and before AWS and GCP for most workloads where the DO feature set is sufficient.
wankle 4y ago
I liked Linode but moved to AWS Lightsail several years ago. I like it, simple pricing, I use Google Domains though Lightsail gives you some with the VPS. I don't like the cloud pricing of Route53 which is why I use Google Domains. Otherwise I like the VPS style nature of Lightsail. For my own self-hosting, it's all I need. The downsides to Lightsail are highlighted in their article: https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/lightsail-considerations-for-use/ https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/light...
guluarte 4y ago
if you can a mini pc with proxmox, portainer, a domain name and cloudflare DDNS
ehPReth 4y ago
Anyone have a good lead on a provider that doesn't mind if you... use the BitTorrent protocol in a way that might get a few notices?
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xcrunner529 4y ago
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ptman 4y ago
In many cases you can get the server capacity you need for free: https://paul.totterman.name/posts/free-clouds/ https://paul.totterman.name/posts/free-clouds/ . But hetzner has been my go to when that isn't enough. Here's a referral link: https://hetzner.cloud/?ref=GxNGm9jZSUZP https://hetzner.cloud/?ref=GxNGm9jZSUZP (benefits both you and me)

What’s a good alternative for Linode these days? I just want a vps where I can install Debian, be root, and have a web and email server. A 4gb Linode has been enough for my needs for years.

artellectual 4y ago

How about digitalocean? or vultr?

geerlingguy 4y ago
DigitalOcean has been a good companion to Linode. It seems like many of the offerings are either on par or better, though some prices are a little higher.

ge96 4y ago

OVH

mindcrime 4y ago
I started migrating from Linode to OVH a while back (Probably a year and a half or so ago). Parked the migration for a while, and started in earnest again a couple of months ago. All told, my experiences with OVH have been fairly positive. There's a quirk here and there that annoys me, but the same is true for every cloud provider to some extent. Still, on balance, I'd have no problem recommending OVH. If anybody cares to know, the single biggest annoyance I have with them is this: you can't launch a VPS that comes up with an ssh key pre-configured for passwordless ssh access, at least not the first time around. Unless they've changed it recently anyway, the option to specify an ssh key only appears in the menu for re-installing an existing VPS. For a brand new one, your options are: 1. Turn around and immediately re-install it, so they add the key for you 2. Receive the password for the newly created instance in an email, and use it to login, upload the key, and configure passwordless ssh. I wound up writing a script to do the latter, so all I do is wait for the email to come, paste the password and IP into my script, and fire it off and it copies the key, and makes a few other small tweaks, then does sudo dnf -y upgrade, and then a sudo reboot. Once all that finishes I use Ansible to do everything else. By and large it all just works and is fine, but not being able to have the VPS come up with the ssh key already configured initially still bugs me a bit.
- ge96 4y ago
  I think I accidentally removed my key remotely one time but thankfully the dashboard had a kvm

dingle_thunk 4y ago

Vultr is amazing on price/performance. I use it as a lab cloud, and for my more fun (or Windows) workloads. You slightly sacrifice reliability, but you get interesting options including odd OSes, and per-hour dedicated hardware. Definitely an innovative bunch. DigitalOcean offers solid uptime, a more professional operation, and typically better performance than Linode in benchmarks (https://www.vpsbenchmarks.com/screener https://www.vpsbenchmarks.com/screener). It has confusing marketing, but a good account dashboard and good docco/service. They're more in line with Linode, and will probably be the big winners if Linode/Akamai continue losing steam. I wouldn't go with OVH, and I would use caution with cheaper providers, unless you're comfortable with the risk of hiring people who would willingly build wooden data centres with no fire safely. There is such a thing as "too cheap". (https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/ovhcloud-fire-report-sbg2-data-center-had-wooden-ceilings-no-extinguisher-and-no-power-cut-out/ https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/ovhcloud-fire-rep...)

eric-hu 4y ago
> The Bas-Rhin fire service says that the SBG2 data center had no automatic fire extinguishing system and no general electrical cut-off switch. The facility also had a wooden ceiling rated to resist fire for only one hour, and a free-cooling design that created "chimneys" that increased the fire's ferocity. I recall seeing headlines here about the fires, but I didn't know their construction was this bad.
icedchai 4y ago
I second Vultr. They also have more advanced networking features, mainly BGP peering, that are uncommon with larger VPS providers. Their network seems super reliable.
bdcravens 4y ago
Vultr lets you bring your own ISO if they don't have exactly what you want.
fomine3 4y ago
Vultr is great for various locations. https://www.vultr.com/features/datacenter-locations/ https://www.vultr.com/features/datacenter-locations/

sashk 4y ago

Hetzner

mdmglr 4y ago
I traced email spam back to Hetzner servers. They refused to shut down the spammers. So I will refuse to do business with those crooks.
- tomxor 4y ago
  To be fair I've traced malicious network attempts from Linode, Digital Ocean, Vultr, Hetzner... pretty much everyone, I assume due to the prevalence of vulnerable wordpress sites becoming part of botnets.
  - corobo 4y ago
    All providers will get abused, the difference is in the response. Namecheap lost all my 'loyalty' when I started tracing where all the SMS phish sites I was getting were hosted. Finding out this was Namecheap didn't sour me. Finding out they don't take the sites down quickly enough* to be worth reporting put the wheels in motion to move all my domains off them. Unfortunately I can no longer find what ticked me off in the first place as search engines are full of blogs writing about their recent email breach. * The NSC seems to agree with me rather than my expectations being too high (PDF, page 8) https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/files/Active-Cyber-Defence-ACD-The-Fourth-Year.pdf https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/files/Active-Cyber-Defence-ACD-The-F... > Looking specifically at the number of campaigns hosted by NameCheap against its monthly median attack availability, we see that by mid-year the median takedown times were consistently in excess of 60 hours. This undoubtedly made NameCheap an attractive proposition to host phishing and may explain the rise in monthly hosted campaigns that followed for UK government-themed phishing.

tailspin2019 4y ago

I’ve had good a good experience with UpCloud so far.

sabalaba 4y ago

For GPU instances, Lambda Cloud has A100s for $1.10/hr and A10 instances for $0.60/hr. https://lambdalabs.com/service/gpu-cloud https://lambdalabs.com/service/gpu-cloud

arp242 4y ago

Linode is still fine I think. A few months ago I looked around a bit for alternatives as I wondered if there are better deals out there, and nothing really jumped out as "wow, this obviously offers a much better price/quality service!" DigitalOcean seems about on-par; OVH and Hetzner are cheaper but seem less reliable, etc. Much depends on your exact needs of course. Who will know what Akamai will do in the future, but you can say "who knows what $anything will do in the future?" too. It's been a year and nothing has radically changed as near as I can tell. A naming rebrand is rather superficial.

nik736 4y ago
What makes you think that Hetzner "seem" to be less reliable?

ipaddr 4y ago

Just signup for the free Oracle cloud

smoldesu 4y ago
I despise Oracle with every bone in my body... but I must admit their Always-Free tier is the best deal in the game. 4 ARM cores to divvy up among 24gb of memory however you please... oh, and you get 2 extra 1c1gb x86 servers for whatever else you need. You want that on AWS, it will run you at least $40/month. Plus you get a better management interface with Oracle to boot. For any cash-strapped devs trying to make a simple build server or setup a remote dev environment, this seems like the best option to me. I depreciated like $15/month of Vultr VPSes last weekend by switching to their offerings. It's not the fastest but damn, it makes me wish it wasn't an apology for their crimes against FOSSmanity.
joecool1029 4y ago
Have tried, it's literally impossible for me to do it. I must be on some kind of internal blacklist. It's the only experience I've ever had with a company that took my details and refuses to explain why they won't let me have an account.

Gelob 4y ago

Limestone networks https://lstn.net https://lstn.net

adql 4y ago
At just double the price of Linode lmfao

kyriakos 4y ago

Hetzner been solid for me.

mdasen 4y ago

Hetzner is nice and cheap and now has two US data centers, but you will need to contact support to get SMTP ports unblocked I believe. If you had a 4GB/2-CPU Linode for $30, you could get an 8GB/2-CPU from Hetzner for €21.85 (~$23.45). If you were using Linode's shared-CPU nodes, that $20 4GB VPS would be €7.55 on Hetzner (~$8.10) or even €5.35 in their European data centers (~$5.74, their European data centers offer both Intel or AMD processors so you can get a 4GB/2-CPU intel box there, but in the US they're only offering their AMD servers which include 3-CPU so it's a tad more expensive due to fewer options).

edwinyzh 4y ago
I have a very bad, failed signing up experience with them...

nwilkens 4y ago

https://mnx.io https://mnx.io and would be happy to have you! We're a small team with great support -- since 2012.

adql 4y ago
You won't get many movers with 2x the price of L:inode for comparable instances...
- nwilkens 4y ago
  I do understand.. and sometimes cheap is what you want. When you want something else -- like customer service, this is where mnx.io shines. I would consider mnx.io to be a boutique cloud provider, prioritize quality/reliability and customer service, allowing us to build close relationships with our customers. As a boutique provider, we know most of our customers by name and focus on providing the resources necessary to ensure reliable, long-term sustainability.
  - adql 4y ago
    Well I don't know much about Linode customer service because it all worked fine for 14 years... only thing I got is "your node is going to be migrated in X days, or press this key to migrate it now" few times when they were upgrading for new hardware. The one single issue I had 10 years ago was fixed within minutes of opening ticket too. So you're basically trying to advertise to a bunch of customers happy with service that's also cheaper than your service and offers more options (hosted databases, object store, DNS hosting)
    - nwilkens 4y ago
      That’s a great experience with Linode.. We’re certainly expanding our options and with our recent acquisition of Joyent’s Triton DataCenter it’s also 100% open source — maybe one day we get to talk again! Thanks for the feedback too.

glerk 4y ago

Until they start crippling Linode or increase their prices, I'll keep using it. Doesn't look like anything has changed yet except for the logo.

coffeefirst 4y ago
Yep. I've been running all my personal stuff on Linode for 11 years. Does this bode well? No. Am I going to migrate over a swapped logo? Also no.

AYBABTME 4y ago

DigitalOcean is the most serious developer-first cloud, in my biased opinion as an ex employee. I still use their cloud whenever I need to run something because I know it's mostly well built, price/performance is almost unrivalled. I'd run my stuff on DO before Azure all the time, and before AWS and GCP for most workloads where the DO feature set is sufficient.

wankle 4y ago

I liked Linode but moved to AWS Lightsail several years ago. I like it, simple pricing, I use Google Domains though Lightsail gives you some with the VPS. I don't like the cloud pricing of Route53 which is why I use Google Domains. Otherwise I like the VPS style nature of Lightsail. For my own self-hosting, it's all I need. The downsides to Lightsail are highlighted in their article: https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/lightsail-considerations-for-use/ https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/light...

guluarte 4y ago

if you can a mini pc with proxmox, portainer, a domain name and cloudflare DDNS

ehPReth 4y ago

Anyone have a good lead on a provider that doesn't mind if you... use the BitTorrent protocol in a way that might get a few notices?

deleted 4y ago

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xcrunner529 4y ago

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ptman 4y ago

In many cases you can get the server capacity you need for free: https://paul.totterman.name/posts/free-clouds/ https://paul.totterman.name/posts/free-clouds/ . But hetzner has been my go to when that isn't enough. Here's a referral link: https://hetzner.cloud/?ref=GxNGm9jZSUZP https://hetzner.cloud/?ref=GxNGm9jZSUZP (benefits both you and me)