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> Gas pump credit card processing goes down too. Every gas station I pump gas at takes cash, too. > This is a minor hiccup in the electric transition. It po

> Gas pump credit card processing goes down too. Every gas station I pump gas at takes cash, too. > This is a minor hiccup in the electric transition. It portends much worse outcomes if we don't address it. > Right to repair should still be a thing, but that is a distinct issue So, we're going to use the power of government to force a markets hand, but we're going to delay the consumer issues that it is going to generate, until when? And our plan is to use something other than government force to repair that issue? It makes no sense to process these as distinct issues, in particular, because you've failed to articulate how removing right to repair is necessary to achieve "the transition." Why would that be a requirement? We _must_ acquiesce to corporate greed or they won't let us have nice things otherwise? So.. why use the power of government to force the market, then?

Aloha 4y ago
More importantly every gas station is a stand alone billing platform. You're unlikely to have one outage lock out all users in an area - yes they might have to pay cash, but thats it.
- dghughes 4y ago
  After hurricane Fiona only one gas station brand was operating. They had generators but the thing that caused problems was their computer. They had to keep rebooting it for the pumps to work. It was great to get gas but standing in line for an hour for gas was not fun. All the other stations were closed due to no power or no way to get the pumps to operate if they had power.
lelandbatey 4y ago
In general, we're trying to use the power of the government to force the market to shift away from gas vehicles and towards electric vehicles because climate change, caused in part by combustion engine vehicles, is real and present, and is such a huge, expensive danger that it's clearly worthwhile to make the move. Whatever the payment/repairability downsides that bad actors fit into the electric transition are, they are absolutely nothing compared to worldwide food shortages, mass migration from losing earth to rising sea levels, water shortages, etc. Nobody wants the businesses to take this as a chance to once again hurt consumers and squeeze consumers for ever more money and ever less power. But the businesses are still trying to pull it off anyway. You're right, action against those terrible business practices is warranted. Giving up on avoiding further climate change is not warranted.
- version_five 4y ago
  Most people agree something should be done about climate change. Using it as an excuse for other stuff, for political and business gain, is one of the main reasons climate change is not being taken seriously. Fix the problem directly, don't use it as a boogeyman to tell people how to live or what to buy, and we could be way more successful at avoiding opposition. Unfortunately, the most vocal people see climate change almost solely as a means of getting power rather than something to actually try and overcome. Equating not wanting freedom to use something you buy with giving up on climate change does not help, it makes people more entrenched in their views
  - Dalewyn 4y ago
    >Using it as an excuse for other stuff, for political and business gain, is one of the main reasons climate change is not being taken seriously. This. So long as global warming is a question of monies I refuse to take it as anything more than just another game played by investors and politicians.
    - Tanjreeve 4y ago
      What if I told you "climate do nothingism" chicanery of the last 40-50 years was almost entirely driven by business interests and political silly buggers with reams of evidence from internal company memos proving as such?

Aloha 4y ago

More importantly every gas station is a stand alone billing platform. You're unlikely to have one outage lock out all users in an area - yes they might have to pay cash, but thats it.

dghughes 4y ago
After hurricane Fiona only one gas station brand was operating. They had generators but the thing that caused problems was their computer. They had to keep rebooting it for the pumps to work. It was great to get gas but standing in line for an hour for gas was not fun. All the other stations were closed due to no power or no way to get the pumps to operate if they had power.

lelandbatey 4y ago

In general, we're trying to use the power of the government to force the market to shift away from gas vehicles and towards electric vehicles because climate change, caused in part by combustion engine vehicles, is real and present, and is such a huge, expensive danger that it's clearly worthwhile to make the move. Whatever the payment/repairability downsides that bad actors fit into the electric transition are, they are absolutely nothing compared to worldwide food shortages, mass migration from losing earth to rising sea levels, water shortages, etc. Nobody wants the businesses to take this as a chance to once again hurt consumers and squeeze consumers for ever more money and ever less power. But the businesses are still trying to pull it off anyway. You're right, action against those terrible business practices is warranted. Giving up on avoiding further climate change is not warranted.

version_five 4y ago
Most people agree something should be done about climate change. Using it as an excuse for other stuff, for political and business gain, is one of the main reasons climate change is not being taken seriously. Fix the problem directly, don't use it as a boogeyman to tell people how to live or what to buy, and we could be way more successful at avoiding opposition. Unfortunately, the most vocal people see climate change almost solely as a means of getting power rather than something to actually try and overcome. Equating not wanting freedom to use something you buy with giving up on climate change does not help, it makes people more entrenched in their views
- Dalewyn 4y ago
  >Using it as an excuse for other stuff, for political and business gain, is one of the main reasons climate change is not being taken seriously. This. So long as global warming is a question of monies I refuse to take it as anything more than just another game played by investors and politicians.
  - Tanjreeve 4y ago
    What if I told you "climate do nothingism" chicanery of the last 40-50 years was almost entirely driven by business interests and political silly buggers with reams of evidence from internal company memos proving as such?