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Not quite. 11 million people died in the holocaust. You're probably thinking of the 6 million Jewish people who were murdered. 5 million Roma, Jehovah's Witnes

Not quite. 11 million people died in the holocaust. You're probably thinking of the 6 million Jewish people who were murdered. 5 million Roma, Jehovah's Witnesses, gay people disabled people, and others were also murdered.

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kanzenryu2 4y ago
The Economist estimates about 20m dead https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-estimates https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-...
skissane 4y ago
According to the Jewish Virtual Library, [0] the “5 million non-Jews” figure was invented by Simon Wiesenthal. He intentionally concocted it by subtracting 1 million from the estimated number of Jewish victims. According to Wikipedia, [1] at least 8.5 million non-Jewish Soviet citizens were massacred by the Nazis (both civilians and POWs), and also at least 1.8 million Poles. The victims among the groups you explicitly mentioned, by contrast, added all together number no more than 1 million. It is controversial, however, whether the term “Holocaust” should be used for all Nazi genocides and atrocities, or restricted to only include the Nazi genocide against the Jewish people. [0] https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/non-jewish-victims-of-the-holocaust https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/non-jewish-victims-of-t... [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims
- vuln 4y ago
  I found this interesting. "There were 11 million victims of the Holocaust (or 6 million Jewish victims and 5 million non-Jewish victims) The number 11 million is a fictitious number on a number of levels. “11 million Jews” is the population census that is mentioned in the 16th copy of the Wannsee Protocol, notes taken by Eichmann (January 20, 1942), only about the Jews. The issue also seems to be the differentiation between victims based on NSDAP race policy versus civilian deaths during war (i.e.: victims of genocide or casualties of war) if the latter, the correct number is probably between 30-35 million deaths, maybe more. The death toll on the territory of the former Soviet Union is generally regarded to be about 27 million including Soviet military." https://www.ilholocaustmuseum.org/holocaust-misconceptions/ https://www.ilholocaustmuseum.org/holocaust-misconceptions/
GloriousKoji 4y ago
The holocaust is even worse when you consider that the 11M deaths was with a world population of 2.3B, where the 6.8M COVID deaths is with a world population of 7.7B edit: sources. 6.8M COVID deaths reported to WHO https://covid19.who.int https://covid19.who.int 1940 Estimate World Population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimates_of_historical_world_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimates_of_historical_world_...

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kanzenryu2 4y ago

The Economist estimates about 20m dead https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-estimates https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-...

skissane 4y ago

According to the Jewish Virtual Library, [0] the “5 million non-Jews” figure was invented by Simon Wiesenthal. He intentionally concocted it by subtracting 1 million from the estimated number of Jewish victims. According to Wikipedia, [1] at least 8.5 million non-Jewish Soviet citizens were massacred by the Nazis (both civilians and POWs), and also at least 1.8 million Poles. The victims among the groups you explicitly mentioned, by contrast, added all together number no more than 1 million. It is controversial, however, whether the term “Holocaust” should be used for all Nazi genocides and atrocities, or restricted to only include the Nazi genocide against the Jewish people. [0] https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/non-jewish-victims-of-the-holocaust https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/non-jewish-victims-of-t... [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

vuln 4y ago
I found this interesting. "There were 11 million victims of the Holocaust (or 6 million Jewish victims and 5 million non-Jewish victims) The number 11 million is a fictitious number on a number of levels. “11 million Jews” is the population census that is mentioned in the 16th copy of the Wannsee Protocol, notes taken by Eichmann (January 20, 1942), only about the Jews. The issue also seems to be the differentiation between victims based on NSDAP race policy versus civilian deaths during war (i.e.: victims of genocide or casualties of war) if the latter, the correct number is probably between 30-35 million deaths, maybe more. The death toll on the territory of the former Soviet Union is generally regarded to be about 27 million including Soviet military." https://www.ilholocaustmuseum.org/holocaust-misconceptions/ https://www.ilholocaustmuseum.org/holocaust-misconceptions/

GloriousKoji 4y ago

The holocaust is even worse when you consider that the 11M deaths was with a world population of 2.3B, where the 6.8M COVID deaths is with a world population of 7.7B edit: sources. 6.8M COVID deaths reported to WHO https://covid19.who.int https://covid19.who.int 1940 Estimate World Population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimates_of_historical_world_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimates_of_historical_world_...