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The simple question about the origin was considered a conspiracy theory not that long ago. And you won't find any democrats speaking up about it, no they were b

The simple question about the origin was considered a conspiracy theory not that long ago. And you won't find any democrats speaking up about it, no they were busy covering it up just because that's what the "bad side" were claiming. Why is memory so short in politics? The question you should ask instead is why do they suddenly care?

hotpotamus 4y ago
I wonder what it would mean if Republicans conclusively proved that China did covid (whatever that means). Do you think the Republicans would have been/will be more likely to wear masks or get vaccines?
- worksonmine 4y ago
  I wouldn't know I'm not from the US. But you sure seem very personally invested in those kinds of decisions. Maybe that should be Bidens strategy? Claim masks are terrible and get the Republicans to wear them? Seems to be how both sides reason over there. Exhausting but entertaining to follow. I'm leftist (real "hang the bankers" kind of left not Teslas and Iphones left) and even to me the Republicans often seem like the reasonable bunch in the gang, and that says a lot... Both sides would benefit from some serious self-examination.
  - hotpotamus 4y ago
    I don't know that I'm very personally invested in these kinds of decisions, but it's certainly possible. No one ever held a gun to my head and made me wear a mask or get a vaccine or anything, but I did them anyway because they seemed like the best ways to avoid dying from coronavirus or getting long covid, neither of which I particularly desired, and I do know people to whom those things happened. What I wonder is how laying the blame on some country or other would change other peoples' calculations on those decisions.
    - worksonmine 4y ago
      You make assumptions on what the other side wants and build your arguments on that. It's not about blaming China, you're already doing that. If you ask me Fauci and Dazsak are much more interesting as culprits. The Chinese are completely irrelevant. My conclusions by looking at the facts are very sinister. If I told you you were going to vaccinate 5-year olds with new tech for flu-like symptoms 5 years ago you'd call me crazy. But here we are, and you're asking me about masks. Masks are the last thing on my mind, but that doesn't mean I don't wash my hands and run around coughing on old people. I care about some people answering difficult questions and getting jail time, but we'll see their friends asking fluffy cute questions. The greatest trick they pulled was to politisize it and get normal people fighting eachother over facemasks while they're swimming in profits.
      - hotpotamus 4y ago
        We've long given vaccines to children 5 and younger, and yes, people made money from that. I'd love to see some structural changes to for profit healthcare in the US, but if it's a problem, then it's hardly limited to vaccines. I suppose I am just not all that bothered in retrospect by the pandemic response of the US. If anything, I wonder how it could have been improved so that the 1 million Americans who died would not have, but I also learned that living through a pandemic is still not something we have all that much control over even with modern technology.
        worksonmine 4y ago
        The difference is we used to care what was in those vaccines and their effects, not just that everyone got them no matter the cost/benefit ratio. I don't mind smallpox vaccines but putting kids on subscription vaccines for a disease that has no risk for them is just brain dead. And this was known before they were rolled out in that age group. It was entirely political at that point.
        hotpotamus 4y ago
        I'm not really aware of the risk/reward levels of different vaccines for different age groups, but to imply that we used to care about what got put into vaccines but no longer do seems quite silly - the "vaccines cause autism" idea got going in the early 90's. But low as the risks of either may be, I wonder - did more children die of covid or of covid vaccination?
  - bee_rider 4y ago
    What’s an example of a country you think is well run?
    - worksonmine 4y ago
      None really, but McEmpire is in a league of its own.
      - bee_rider 4y ago
        If you don’t think any country is well run, I wonder if you just have miscalibrated expectations for what good government looks like.
        worksonmine 4y ago
        Or I just have higher standards and expect more than too big to fail, nepotism and endless fucking wars between east and west? There are pros in many countries I can cherry pick here and there but nothing lives up to the standards we should have and the potential of humanity. We're wasting it, I'm happy for you that you seem content though, wish I could be too.
    - maeil 4y ago
      Taiwan is well-run. Norway does well, it's easy to point to their resource wealth but plenty of other countries have similar yet aren't run nearly as well.

hotpotamus 4y ago

I wonder what it would mean if Republicans conclusively proved that China did covid (whatever that means). Do you think the Republicans would have been/will be more likely to wear masks or get vaccines?

worksonmine 4y ago
I wouldn't know I'm not from the US. But you sure seem very personally invested in those kinds of decisions. Maybe that should be Bidens strategy? Claim masks are terrible and get the Republicans to wear them? Seems to be how both sides reason over there. Exhausting but entertaining to follow. I'm leftist (real "hang the bankers" kind of left not Teslas and Iphones left) and even to me the Republicans often seem like the reasonable bunch in the gang, and that says a lot... Both sides would benefit from some serious self-examination.
- hotpotamus 4y ago
  I don't know that I'm very personally invested in these kinds of decisions, but it's certainly possible. No one ever held a gun to my head and made me wear a mask or get a vaccine or anything, but I did them anyway because they seemed like the best ways to avoid dying from coronavirus or getting long covid, neither of which I particularly desired, and I do know people to whom those things happened. What I wonder is how laying the blame on some country or other would change other peoples' calculations on those decisions.
  - worksonmine 4y ago
    You make assumptions on what the other side wants and build your arguments on that. It's not about blaming China, you're already doing that. If you ask me Fauci and Dazsak are much more interesting as culprits. The Chinese are completely irrelevant. My conclusions by looking at the facts are very sinister. If I told you you were going to vaccinate 5-year olds with new tech for flu-like symptoms 5 years ago you'd call me crazy. But here we are, and you're asking me about masks. Masks are the last thing on my mind, but that doesn't mean I don't wash my hands and run around coughing on old people. I care about some people answering difficult questions and getting jail time, but we'll see their friends asking fluffy cute questions. The greatest trick they pulled was to politisize it and get normal people fighting eachother over facemasks while they're swimming in profits.
    - hotpotamus 4y ago
      We've long given vaccines to children 5 and younger, and yes, people made money from that. I'd love to see some structural changes to for profit healthcare in the US, but if it's a problem, then it's hardly limited to vaccines. I suppose I am just not all that bothered in retrospect by the pandemic response of the US. If anything, I wonder how it could have been improved so that the 1 million Americans who died would not have, but I also learned that living through a pandemic is still not something we have all that much control over even with modern technology.
      - worksonmine 4y ago
        The difference is we used to care what was in those vaccines and their effects, not just that everyone got them no matter the cost/benefit ratio. I don't mind smallpox vaccines but putting kids on subscription vaccines for a disease that has no risk for them is just brain dead. And this was known before they were rolled out in that age group. It was entirely political at that point.
        hotpotamus 4y ago
        I'm not really aware of the risk/reward levels of different vaccines for different age groups, but to imply that we used to care about what got put into vaccines but no longer do seems quite silly - the "vaccines cause autism" idea got going in the early 90's. But low as the risks of either may be, I wonder - did more children die of covid or of covid vaccination?
- bee_rider 4y ago
  What’s an example of a country you think is well run?
  - worksonmine 4y ago
    None really, but McEmpire is in a league of its own.
    - bee_rider 4y ago
      If you don’t think any country is well run, I wonder if you just have miscalibrated expectations for what good government looks like.
      - worksonmine 4y ago
        Or I just have higher standards and expect more than too big to fail, nepotism and endless fucking wars between east and west? There are pros in many countries I can cherry pick here and there but nothing lives up to the standards we should have and the potential of humanity. We're wasting it, I'm happy for you that you seem content though, wish I could be too.
  - maeil 4y ago
    Taiwan is well-run. Norway does well, it's easy to point to their resource wealth but plenty of other countries have similar yet aren't run nearly as well.