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We will probably never know the real truth behind origin of virus. It carry burden of many deaths, fraud, money, poltics, ruined businesses and relationships...

We will probably never know the real truth behind origin of virus. It carry burden of many deaths, fraud, money, poltics, ruined businesses and relationships... Worst part is, that it destroyed peoples trust in almost everything. Gonverments, science, dialogue, media, doctors... Good part is, that it will be harder to manipulate with masses by fear.

Mountain_Skies 4y ago
The virus didn't do that, the dishonest people involved in the response did that. They're not victims, they had choices to make and they made the ones that benefited themselves instead of the public they were entrusted to serve.
- t0bia_s 4y ago
  Sure, but grinding for power was allways sickness of elected politicians. It just escalated into whole-socio-economical problem. Which proofs why globalisation is dangerous and decentralisation so important.
tootie 4y ago
Politics did all that with an assist from social media. Scientists, mainstream media and reasonable politicians all handled the crisis pretty well. The speed of development and dispersal of effective vaccines was absolutely miraculous.
- t0bia_s 4y ago
  Politics did what with assist of social media? I'm wonder why we cannot distribute drinking water and food like vaccines in poor countries? How do you know that vaccine was effective?
  - tootie 4y ago
    Vaccines. There are 8 or so that have been deployed. And we have absolutely tons of data on the morbidity rates of vaccinated vs unvaccinated controlled for other factors (especially age) that show they were effective. If you're really not sure then you just want to be a contrarian.
    - t0bia_s 4y ago
      Links? Do you have personal experience with effectiveness of vaccine?
      - tootie 4y ago
        I know you don't actually need me to google it for you and I'm sure you've seen all the evidence. My personal experience is that I got several doses as did my whole family and we all were exposed and had very minor symptoms. I won't descend into solipsism where only my personal experience is relevant. The consensus of experts is good enough for me.
        t0bia_s 4y ago
        I have same experience as you without vaccines. Symptoms as usual flu. Also 9 people around me dead or seriously injured after vaccination. Sure... It could be anecdotal evidence, but for me personaly more relevant. I would be stupid to ignore this. Im really curious which data convinced you about safety and effectiveness of vaccines that you and your family have. Consensus of experts is divided.
        tootie 4y ago
        Our symptoms were way less than flu. Barely a sniffle. Wouldn't even know it was covid if not for at-home test. Nine people dead is meaningly. Millions of people die every year. How many died of covid symptoms after vaccination? How many died of predictable causes of death that would have gotten them anyway? Here's a pretty straightforward chart: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-co... Experts are in overwhelming unison on the effectiveness and safety of vaccines relative to being unvaccinated. Here's an interesting study on how subjectivity can lead people to not only misunderstand scientific evidence but to overestimate the degree of dissent among experts: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abo0038 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abo0038 This study from the Czech Republic shows that the public there severely underestimate the degree of medical consensus among practicing doctors https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35650433/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35650433/

Mountain_Skies 4y ago

The virus didn't do that, the dishonest people involved in the response did that. They're not victims, they had choices to make and they made the ones that benefited themselves instead of the public they were entrusted to serve.

t0bia_s 4y ago
Sure, but grinding for power was allways sickness of elected politicians. It just escalated into whole-socio-economical problem. Which proofs why globalisation is dangerous and decentralisation so important.

tootie 4y ago

Politics did all that with an assist from social media. Scientists, mainstream media and reasonable politicians all handled the crisis pretty well. The speed of development and dispersal of effective vaccines was absolutely miraculous.

t0bia_s 4y ago
Politics did what with assist of social media? I'm wonder why we cannot distribute drinking water and food like vaccines in poor countries? How do you know that vaccine was effective?
- tootie 4y ago
  Vaccines. There are 8 or so that have been deployed. And we have absolutely tons of data on the morbidity rates of vaccinated vs unvaccinated controlled for other factors (especially age) that show they were effective. If you're really not sure then you just want to be a contrarian.
  - t0bia_s 4y ago
    Links? Do you have personal experience with effectiveness of vaccine?
    - tootie 4y ago
      I know you don't actually need me to google it for you and I'm sure you've seen all the evidence. My personal experience is that I got several doses as did my whole family and we all were exposed and had very minor symptoms. I won't descend into solipsism where only my personal experience is relevant. The consensus of experts is good enough for me.
      - t0bia_s 4y ago
        I have same experience as you without vaccines. Symptoms as usual flu. Also 9 people around me dead or seriously injured after vaccination. Sure... It could be anecdotal evidence, but for me personaly more relevant. I would be stupid to ignore this. Im really curious which data convinced you about safety and effectiveness of vaccines that you and your family have. Consensus of experts is divided.
        tootie 4y ago
        Our symptoms were way less than flu. Barely a sniffle. Wouldn't even know it was covid if not for at-home test. Nine people dead is meaningly. Millions of people die every year. How many died of covid symptoms after vaccination? How many died of predictable causes of death that would have gotten them anyway? Here's a pretty straightforward chart: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-co... Experts are in overwhelming unison on the effectiveness and safety of vaccines relative to being unvaccinated. Here's an interesting study on how subjectivity can lead people to not only misunderstand scientific evidence but to overestimate the degree of dissent among experts: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abo0038 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abo0038 This study from the Czech Republic shows that the public there severely underestimate the degree of medical consensus among practicing doctors https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35650433/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35650433/