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Millions of people in Europe don’t have garages or easy access to charging stations. This policy is basically impossible in the near-term. The bet is that someh

by _hypx 4y ago

Millions of people in Europe don’t have garages or easy access to charging stations. This policy is basically impossible in the near-term. The bet is that somehow in 12 years all of this gets solved. There is a real chance that ends up being the next biodiesel mandate and fails.

Kukumber 4y ago
ban on "new sales", not on "existing cars" so people will still be able to use their current one, and replace them with Electric or Hydrogen when it's time to replace their car they'll probably then ban petrol/diesel from big cities, so they encourage people to upgrade
- _hypx 4y ago
  In that scenario people will just keep their old cars for far longer than what the planners are imagining. Like Cuba which still operates cars from 60 years ago. The danger is then you have a society dominated by very outdated cars and a greatly reduced industrial base.
  - Kukumber 4y ago
    Cuba has old cars because of US sanctions that killed their economy and couldn't import anything Here it's different, purchasers have still access to cars, so when they need to change, they can change, and what's gonna be available is EVs, by the time they upgrade, infrastructure will be much different than what it is today Doing it gradually is better, gives time to strengthen the grid network, gives enough time for innovations to come into the market, so people don't produce much tech junk and a recycling industry can emerge
    - _hypx 4y ago
      The infrastructure may never materialize. Not to mention that the amount of EVs may never materialize, as they are hugely dependent on raw materials and can be subjected to OPEC-like embargos. It could easy turn into a vast market of used cars and very few new ones.
      - mattashii 4y ago
        The infrastructure is already materializing. >50% of the 119k public charge points in NL were installed within the past 2 years, providing their services to 328k BEVs. And if you don't ever want to wait for a charge, then you can often use public transit, or ride a bike.
        _hypx 4y ago
        You will need millions, and that includes a vast number of fast chargers plus grid upgrades.
        Kukumber 4y ago
        it's mentioned that it's 0 emission cars 0 emission cars aren't just EVs you have fuel cells too with hydrogen by 2035, lot can happen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WeoeJyJmN4&t=455s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WeoeJyJmN4&t=455s
        _hypx 4y ago
        The saving grace is that there could be alternative options. But the law should allow for even more options, such as eFuels. The way it is written is not particularly open-minded or designed in a feasible way. 2035 is not very far off for the type of infrastructure changes needed. This will have be a landslide of investment, and it could all go to waste regardless.
        Pigalowda 4y ago
        So what you’re saying is there’s a huge business opportunity here for sweet government corrects Ava subsidies?
      - themitigating 4y ago
        So we should stick with the cars that use raw materials that ARE dependent on OPEC embargos?

by _hypx 4y ago

Kukumber 4y ago

ban on "new sales", not on "existing cars" so people will still be able to use their current one, and replace them with Electric or Hydrogen when it's time to replace their car they'll probably then ban petrol/diesel from big cities, so they encourage people to upgrade

_hypx 4y ago
In that scenario people will just keep their old cars for far longer than what the planners are imagining. Like Cuba which still operates cars from 60 years ago. The danger is then you have a society dominated by very outdated cars and a greatly reduced industrial base.
- Kukumber 4y ago
  Cuba has old cars because of US sanctions that killed their economy and couldn't import anything Here it's different, purchasers have still access to cars, so when they need to change, they can change, and what's gonna be available is EVs, by the time they upgrade, infrastructure will be much different than what it is today Doing it gradually is better, gives time to strengthen the grid network, gives enough time for innovations to come into the market, so people don't produce much tech junk and a recycling industry can emerge
  - _hypx 4y ago
    The infrastructure may never materialize. Not to mention that the amount of EVs may never materialize, as they are hugely dependent on raw materials and can be subjected to OPEC-like embargos. It could easy turn into a vast market of used cars and very few new ones.
    - mattashii 4y ago
      The infrastructure is already materializing. >50% of the 119k public charge points in NL were installed within the past 2 years, providing their services to 328k BEVs. And if you don't ever want to wait for a charge, then you can often use public transit, or ride a bike.
      - _hypx 4y ago
        You will need millions, and that includes a vast number of fast chargers plus grid upgrades.
        Kukumber 4y ago
        it's mentioned that it's 0 emission cars 0 emission cars aren't just EVs you have fuel cells too with hydrogen by 2035, lot can happen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WeoeJyJmN4&t=455s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WeoeJyJmN4&t=455s
        _hypx 4y ago
        The saving grace is that there could be alternative options. But the law should allow for even more options, such as eFuels. The way it is written is not particularly open-minded or designed in a feasible way. 2035 is not very far off for the type of infrastructure changes needed. This will have be a landslide of investment, and it could all go to waste regardless.
        Pigalowda 4y ago
        So what you’re saying is there’s a huge business opportunity here for sweet government corrects Ava subsidies?
    - themitigating 4y ago
      So we should stick with the cars that use raw materials that ARE dependent on OPEC embargos?