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I know we don't like management, you guys. But if a guy can found three billion-dollar companies and still fall short of your definition of "good manager"... it

I know we don't like management, you guys. But if a guy can found three billion-dollar companies and still fall short of your definition of "good manager"... it's possible that you've lost the plot.

kibwen 4y ago
Elon Musk didn't found Tesla, he bought it with the proviso that they pretend that he was a founder. He also didn't found PayPal; Confinity developed PayPal, which merged with Musk's company before rebranding the enterprise to PayPal, after which Musk was then fired for incompetence. But he sure is great at taking credit for the work of others, including the work of Gwynne Shotwell at SpaceX, who is, by all accounts, the real person in charge.
- panick21_ 4y ago
  Musk didn't found Tesla, but Musk financed Tesla and made it successful. Before he was CEO Tesla was a disaster company that was driven straight into a trash pile by its original CEO. > after which Musk was then fired for incompetence The other founders wanted to sell the company, Musk wanted to turn it into an internet bank. Looking back Musk strategy was actually what Paypal should have gone with, rather then shackling itself to ebay. > But he sure is great at taking credit for the work of others Yeah because what really mattered for Tesla is what happened before 2008, every after that doesn't matter. Like seriously dude, I understand you dislike Musk on a personal level. But how can you be so blinded by hate as to suggest being CEO of a car company for literally 15 years (longest in the car industry) and that car company going from basically bankrupt to having the highest profit in the industry (outside of maybe Toyota) is not 'good management'? > including the work of Gwynne Shotwell at SpaceX, who is, by all accounts, the real person in charge. 'By all accounts' and by that you mean by all accounts that Anti-Musk Twitter has made up to fuel their rage boner? Because its not the case based on Shotwells own account. Its not the case based on the account by literally anybody who actually worked there. Its not the case by the account by journalists and other observes who know the company very well. So really its not the case by any serious account. Shotwell was head of business development until well into the Falcon 9 development, did she do everything then too?
- marcusverus 4y ago
  Elon Musk founded Zip2, which sold for 300 Million. Then he bought his way into a nothing company that nobody had ever heard of, turned it into a 100 Billion dollar company and made EVs sexy while doing it. He's technically a founder of Tesla, but founder status hardly matters. Then founded SpaceX and revolutionized an industry that had been stagnant for 50 years. Another 100 Billion dollar company. Then founded The Boring Company, which has a billion dollar valuation. "But he got fired once" is hilarious.
- mlindner 4y ago
  > Elon Musk didn't found Tesla, In any other company, Elon would have had "founder status" as part of the negotiations when he bankrolled the company basically from day 1. The company wouldn't have existed at all without him. This isn't abnormal for people who provide initial startup capital, are the chairman of the board, and are directly involved with company operations, being considered as founder. I really don't like this repeated attempts to try to discredit Elon's involvement in Tesla. And no, there's no evidence of him being "fired for incompetence" from Paypal. > But he sure is great at taking credit for the work of others, On the contrary, whenever people in interviews try to credit him with things he immediately returns credit to whichever company is being talked about. I've seen this dozens of times. He's not once tried to take public credit for the work of Tesla or SpaceX workers.

I know we don't like management, you guys. But if a guy can found three billion-dollar companies and still fall short of your definition of "good manager"... it's possible that you've lost the plot.

kibwen 4y ago

Elon Musk didn't found Tesla, he bought it with the proviso that they pretend that he was a founder. He also didn't found PayPal; Confinity developed PayPal, which merged with Musk's company before rebranding the enterprise to PayPal, after which Musk was then fired for incompetence. But he sure is great at taking credit for the work of others, including the work of Gwynne Shotwell at SpaceX, who is, by all accounts, the real person in charge.

panick21_ 4y ago
Musk didn't found Tesla, but Musk financed Tesla and made it successful. Before he was CEO Tesla was a disaster company that was driven straight into a trash pile by its original CEO. > after which Musk was then fired for incompetence The other founders wanted to sell the company, Musk wanted to turn it into an internet bank. Looking back Musk strategy was actually what Paypal should have gone with, rather then shackling itself to ebay. > But he sure is great at taking credit for the work of others Yeah because what really mattered for Tesla is what happened before 2008, every after that doesn't matter. Like seriously dude, I understand you dislike Musk on a personal level. But how can you be so blinded by hate as to suggest being CEO of a car company for literally 15 years (longest in the car industry) and that car company going from basically bankrupt to having the highest profit in the industry (outside of maybe Toyota) is not 'good management'? > including the work of Gwynne Shotwell at SpaceX, who is, by all accounts, the real person in charge. 'By all accounts' and by that you mean by all accounts that Anti-Musk Twitter has made up to fuel their rage boner? Because its not the case based on Shotwells own account. Its not the case based on the account by literally anybody who actually worked there. Its not the case by the account by journalists and other observes who know the company very well. So really its not the case by any serious account. Shotwell was head of business development until well into the Falcon 9 development, did she do everything then too?
marcusverus 4y ago
Elon Musk founded Zip2, which sold for 300 Million. Then he bought his way into a nothing company that nobody had ever heard of, turned it into a 100 Billion dollar company and made EVs sexy while doing it. He's technically a founder of Tesla, but founder status hardly matters. Then founded SpaceX and revolutionized an industry that had been stagnant for 50 years. Another 100 Billion dollar company. Then founded The Boring Company, which has a billion dollar valuation. "But he got fired once" is hilarious.
mlindner 4y ago
> Elon Musk didn't found Tesla, In any other company, Elon would have had "founder status" as part of the negotiations when he bankrolled the company basically from day 1. The company wouldn't have existed at all without him. This isn't abnormal for people who provide initial startup capital, are the chairman of the board, and are directly involved with company operations, being considered as founder. I really don't like this repeated attempts to try to discredit Elon's involvement in Tesla. And no, there's no evidence of him being "fired for incompetence" from Paypal. > But he sure is great at taking credit for the work of others, On the contrary, whenever people in interviews try to credit him with things he immediately returns credit to whichever company is being talked about. I've seen this dozens of times. He's not once tried to take public credit for the work of Tesla or SpaceX workers.