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I wonder who swayed them to cancel the investigation? https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/04/world-health-organization-blame-pandemic-coronavirus

by vuln 4y ago

I wonder who swayed them to cancel the investigation? https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/04/world-health-organization-blame-pandemic-coronavirus/609820/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/04/world-h... https://www.cfr.org/blog/who-and-china-dereliction-duty https://www.cfr.org/blog/who-and-china-dereliction-duty https://www.politico.com/amp/news/magazine/2020/04/15/its-not-just-the-who-how-china-is-moving-on-the-whole-un-189029 https://www.politico.com/amp/news/magazine/2020/04/15/its-no... https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/02/china-coronavirus-who-health-soft-power/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/02/china-coronavirus-who-h... https://carnegieendowment.org/2020/03/23/fighting-coronavirus-pandemic-china-s-influence-at-world-health-organization-pub-81405 https://carnegieendowment.org/2020/03/23/fighting-coronaviru...

8f2ab37a-ed6c 4y ago
Covid killed more people than the Holocaust, and we're just going to sweep that under the rug so as not to create tension with a major global player. That's realpolitik for you.
- SnowHill9902 4y ago
  Has nothing to do.
- mandmandam 4y ago
  Not quite. 11 million people died in the holocaust. You're probably thinking of the 6 million Jewish people who were murdered. 5 million Roma, Jehovah's Witnesses, gay people disabled people, and others were also murdered.
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  - kanzenryu2 4y ago
    The Economist estimates about 20m dead https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-estimates https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-...
  - skissane 4y ago
    According to the Jewish Virtual Library, [0] the “5 million non-Jews” figure was invented by Simon Wiesenthal. He intentionally concocted it by subtracting 1 million from the estimated number of Jewish victims. According to Wikipedia, [1] at least 8.5 million non-Jewish Soviet citizens were massacred by the Nazis (both civilians and POWs), and also at least 1.8 million Poles. The victims among the groups you explicitly mentioned, by contrast, added all together number no more than 1 million. It is controversial, however, whether the term “Holocaust” should be used for all Nazi genocides and atrocities, or restricted to only include the Nazi genocide against the Jewish people. [0] https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/non-jewish-victims-of-the-holocaust https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/non-jewish-victims-of-t... [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims
    - vuln 4y ago
      I found this interesting. "There were 11 million victims of the Holocaust (or 6 million Jewish victims and 5 million non-Jewish victims) The number 11 million is a fictitious number on a number of levels. “11 million Jews” is the population census that is mentioned in the 16th copy of the Wannsee Protocol, notes taken by Eichmann (January 20, 1942), only about the Jews. The issue also seems to be the differentiation between victims based on NSDAP race policy versus civilian deaths during war (i.e.: victims of genocide or casualties of war) if the latter, the correct number is probably between 30-35 million deaths, maybe more. The death toll on the territory of the former Soviet Union is generally regarded to be about 27 million including Soviet military." https://www.ilholocaustmuseum.org/holocaust-misconceptions/ https://www.ilholocaustmuseum.org/holocaust-misconceptions/
  - GloriousKoji 4y ago
    The holocaust is even worse when you consider that the 11M deaths was with a world population of 2.3B, where the 6.8M COVID deaths is with a world population of 7.7B edit: sources. 6.8M COVID deaths reported to WHO https://covid19.who.int https://covid19.who.int 1940 Estimate World Population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimates_of_historical_world_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimates_of_historical_world_...
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- wslh 4y ago
  Well, Covid does not discriminate...
- berry_sortoro 4y ago
  [dead]
- fwungy 4y ago
  The average covid mortality age at death was higher than the average life span. Covid stats were cooked to broth.
walterbell 4y ago
196 countries agreed to the International Health Regulations in 2005, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Health_Regulations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Health_Regulatio..., and these are currently being amended for vote in May 2023. Current draft strikes "human rights" from the text. If the global citizens of 196 countries would like input into health policy that will affect their daily lives for decades to come, they have a once-in-20-years opportunity to add their voice to this legal, nation-state and global governance process, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34798093 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34798093
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by vuln 4y ago

8f2ab37a-ed6c 4y ago

Covid killed more people than the Holocaust, and we're just going to sweep that under the rug so as not to create tension with a major global player. That's realpolitik for you.

SnowHill9902 4y ago
Has nothing to do.
mandmandam 4y ago
Not quite. 11 million people died in the holocaust. You're probably thinking of the 6 million Jewish people who were murdered. 5 million Roma, Jehovah's Witnesses, gay people disabled people, and others were also murdered.
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- kanzenryu2 4y ago
  The Economist estimates about 20m dead https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-estimates https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-...
- skissane 4y ago
  According to the Jewish Virtual Library, [0] the “5 million non-Jews” figure was invented by Simon Wiesenthal. He intentionally concocted it by subtracting 1 million from the estimated number of Jewish victims. According to Wikipedia, [1] at least 8.5 million non-Jewish Soviet citizens were massacred by the Nazis (both civilians and POWs), and also at least 1.8 million Poles. The victims among the groups you explicitly mentioned, by contrast, added all together number no more than 1 million. It is controversial, however, whether the term “Holocaust” should be used for all Nazi genocides and atrocities, or restricted to only include the Nazi genocide against the Jewish people. [0] https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/non-jewish-victims-of-the-holocaust https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/non-jewish-victims-of-t... [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims
  - vuln 4y ago
    I found this interesting. "There were 11 million victims of the Holocaust (or 6 million Jewish victims and 5 million non-Jewish victims) The number 11 million is a fictitious number on a number of levels. “11 million Jews” is the population census that is mentioned in the 16th copy of the Wannsee Protocol, notes taken by Eichmann (January 20, 1942), only about the Jews. The issue also seems to be the differentiation between victims based on NSDAP race policy versus civilian deaths during war (i.e.: victims of genocide or casualties of war) if the latter, the correct number is probably between 30-35 million deaths, maybe more. The death toll on the territory of the former Soviet Union is generally regarded to be about 27 million including Soviet military." https://www.ilholocaustmuseum.org/holocaust-misconceptions/ https://www.ilholocaustmuseum.org/holocaust-misconceptions/
- GloriousKoji 4y ago
  The holocaust is even worse when you consider that the 11M deaths was with a world population of 2.3B, where the 6.8M COVID deaths is with a world population of 7.7B edit: sources. 6.8M COVID deaths reported to WHO https://covid19.who.int https://covid19.who.int 1940 Estimate World Population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimates_of_historical_world_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimates_of_historical_world_...
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wslh 4y ago
Well, Covid does not discriminate...
berry_sortoro 4y ago
[dead]
fwungy 4y ago
The average covid mortality age at death was higher than the average life span. Covid stats were cooked to broth.

walterbell 4y ago

196 countries agreed to the International Health Regulations in 2005, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Health_Regulations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Health_Regulatio..., and these are currently being amended for vote in May 2023. Current draft strikes "human rights" from the text. If the global citizens of 196 countries would like input into health policy that will affect their daily lives for decades to come, they have a once-in-20-years opportunity to add their voice to this legal, nation-state and global governance process, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34798093 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34798093

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