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I suspect that most people who have interacted with remote teams based in India, have had the same experiences. I'm honestly surprised that Apple didn't choose

I suspect that most people who have interacted with remote teams based in India, have had the same experiences. I'm honestly surprised that Apple didn't choose Vietnam or Indonesia over India.

delecti 4y ago
The worst I could say about the India based teams I've worked with is that some were to-the-letter to a fault. Anything not explicitly stated was skipped, where you'd typically expect a dev to fill in the unstated but obvious things that you only discover while working a task. But that was at Amazon. At my current gig, the India based teams are great. Not quite up to the standards of the US teams, but I'm sure they're more cost effective. They're also hungry for more interesting responsibilities, and are proactively improving things. It makes me think that Amazon just had shitty management over there.
- blobbers 4y ago
  You're willing to throw amazon under the bus, but what company are you at now?
  - delecti 4y ago
    I work at Mercedes-Benz. I'm not secret about it, I just don't feel as comfortable being noisy about current experiences with their name attached, as I do things from several years ago. I don't know that that's necessarily a logical reason to make a distinction.
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ReptileMan 4y ago
Not been involved in manufacturing there. But was very pleasantly surprised by the quality of IT and datacenters in Jakarta.
reaperducer 4y ago
I'm honestly surprised that Apple didn't choose Vietnam There are some Apple products already being made in Vietnam. I believe that some iPhone work is going there soon, as well.
nerdbert 4y ago
I'm sure there are political considerations. India of late has a capricious regulation problem which makes it difficult for tech firms to have predictability. And everyone already knows you can get decent quality manufacturing done in Vietnam. India would like to be considered in that same group. Therefore it's in Apple's interest to present India with the opportunity to demonstrate that capability, while giving Apple a measure of leverage in cases where India's government is considering outlawing encryption or unmoderated forums or the shift key or whatever they think will make people stop complaining about them today.
- kamakazizuru 4y ago
  Does everyone also know about the outsize influence China has on Vietnam? If the goal is to de-risk a China / US Trade War scenario and prevent Chinese government from stealing chip tech etc - then you dont get much by going to their pals next door ;)
  - scrlk 4y ago
    I wouldn't call China and Vietnam pals. If you look at history, the suspicion/animosity between the two goes back thousands of years.
    - solarmist 4y ago
      I don’t think OP meant it a friendly way either. Like under China’s thumb “pals”.
bogomipz 4y ago
They are moving some production to Vietnam, starting with some Macbooks: https://www.investopedia.com/apple-moves-production-vietnam-6951110 https://www.investopedia.com/apple-moves-production-vietnam-... I imagine once Apple is confident they will likely add more products there.

I suspect that most people who have interacted with remote teams based in India, have had the same experiences. I'm honestly surprised that Apple didn't choose Vietnam or Indonesia over India.

delecti 4y ago

The worst I could say about the India based teams I've worked with is that some were to-the-letter to a fault. Anything not explicitly stated was skipped, where you'd typically expect a dev to fill in the unstated but obvious things that you only discover while working a task. But that was at Amazon. At my current gig, the India based teams are great. Not quite up to the standards of the US teams, but I'm sure they're more cost effective. They're also hungry for more interesting responsibilities, and are proactively improving things. It makes me think that Amazon just had shitty management over there.

blobbers 4y ago
You're willing to throw amazon under the bus, but what company are you at now?
- delecti 4y ago
  I work at Mercedes-Benz. I'm not secret about it, I just don't feel as comfortable being noisy about current experiences with their name attached, as I do things from several years ago. I don't know that that's necessarily a logical reason to make a distinction.
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ReptileMan 4y ago

Not been involved in manufacturing there. But was very pleasantly surprised by the quality of IT and datacenters in Jakarta.

reaperducer 4y ago

I'm honestly surprised that Apple didn't choose Vietnam There are some Apple products already being made in Vietnam. I believe that some iPhone work is going there soon, as well.

nerdbert 4y ago

I'm sure there are political considerations. India of late has a capricious regulation problem which makes it difficult for tech firms to have predictability. And everyone already knows you can get decent quality manufacturing done in Vietnam. India would like to be considered in that same group. Therefore it's in Apple's interest to present India with the opportunity to demonstrate that capability, while giving Apple a measure of leverage in cases where India's government is considering outlawing encryption or unmoderated forums or the shift key or whatever they think will make people stop complaining about them today.

kamakazizuru 4y ago
Does everyone also know about the outsize influence China has on Vietnam? If the goal is to de-risk a China / US Trade War scenario and prevent Chinese government from stealing chip tech etc - then you dont get much by going to their pals next door ;)
- scrlk 4y ago
  I wouldn't call China and Vietnam pals. If you look at history, the suspicion/animosity between the two goes back thousands of years.
  - solarmist 4y ago
    I don’t think OP meant it a friendly way either. Like under China’s thumb “pals”.

bogomipz 4y ago

They are moving some production to Vietnam, starting with some Macbooks: https://www.investopedia.com/apple-moves-production-vietnam-6951110 https://www.investopedia.com/apple-moves-production-vietnam-... I imagine once Apple is confident they will likely add more products there.