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> it's actually accurate Are we sure? I would normally interpret "zoning amnesty" to mean "you wouldn't normally be allowed to build that thing there, but we'l

by jefftk 4y ago

> it's actually accurate Are we sure? I would normally interpret "zoning amnesty" to mean "you wouldn't normally be allowed to build that thing there, but we'll allow it", and letting people avoid earthquake codes would be more like "building code amnesty". Did these certificates actually exempt projects from the building code?

sonefromturkey 4y ago
It works as "you built your building, we will allow you to keep it and legalize it"
- InCityDreams 4y ago
  The Italian equivalent is 'sanification', so yes.
dandelany 4y ago
The phrase "zoning amnesty"/"zoning peace" is like the "death tax" or the "green new deal" - a way of rebranding a controversial political issue to make it seem incontroversial and obvious. It's called this precisely so that uninformed citizens will make the same mistake and think "Yes, why should people be homeless over some trivial political bullshit like zoning laws?" From everything I've been able to find, it was building code amnesty, in effect. The proliferation of these laws in Turkey, dating back all the way to the 1940s, created a culture where builders could basically build what they want, without the necessary permits/code enforcement, confident in the knowledge that they would fall under the next decree of amnesty and never be required to fix it. "...more than 50 percent of the buildings in Turkey were constructed in violation of the current building code... Union of Chambers of Turkish Engineers and Architects (TMMOB) Ankara branch chair Selim Tulumtaş warned .. that the legislation put the lives of 2.7 million people across the country at risk since they live in shoddily constructed buildings." https://www.turkishminute.com/2023/02/13/turkey-construction-amnesty-under-spotlight-dead-earthquake/ https://www.turkishminute.com/2023/02/13/turkey-construction...
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killingtime74 4y ago
I would caution against trying to parse the language. This is Turkey, they don't even use the words zoning and building code there (it's English with associated context), they use the Turkish equivalent. Their legal system is also completely different (continental vs common law). Just high level take away is Erdogan is boasting about helping builders avoid earthquake related building laws.

by jefftk 4y ago

sonefromturkey 4y ago

It works as "you built your building, we will allow you to keep it and legalize it"

InCityDreams 4y ago
The Italian equivalent is 'sanification', so yes.

dandelany 4y ago

The phrase "zoning amnesty"/"zoning peace" is like the "death tax" or the "green new deal" - a way of rebranding a controversial political issue to make it seem incontroversial and obvious. It's called this precisely so that uninformed citizens will make the same mistake and think "Yes, why should people be homeless over some trivial political bullshit like zoning laws?" From everything I've been able to find, it was building code amnesty, in effect. The proliferation of these laws in Turkey, dating back all the way to the 1940s, created a culture where builders could basically build what they want, without the necessary permits/code enforcement, confident in the knowledge that they would fall under the next decree of amnesty and never be required to fix it. "...more than 50 percent of the buildings in Turkey were constructed in violation of the current building code... Union of Chambers of Turkish Engineers and Architects (TMMOB) Ankara branch chair Selim Tulumtaş warned .. that the legislation put the lives of 2.7 million people across the country at risk since they live in shoddily constructed buildings." https://www.turkishminute.com/2023/02/13/turkey-construction-amnesty-under-spotlight-dead-earthquake/ https://www.turkishminute.com/2023/02/13/turkey-construction...

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killingtime74 4y ago

I would caution against trying to parse the language. This is Turkey, they don't even use the words zoning and building code there (it's English with associated context), they use the Turkish equivalent. Their legal system is also completely different (continental vs common law). Just high level take away is Erdogan is boasting about helping builders avoid earthquake related building laws.