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But still only as a 32-bit binary, in 2023.

by trasz3 4y ago

pathartl 4y ago
Does it need to be 64-bit?
- Gigachad 4y ago
  There is pressure to drop support for running 32 bit binaries and to stop packaging 32 bit libraries. Steam is pretty much the main force holding this transition off. Ubuntu proposed it a while ago and valve said they just wouldn’t support Ubuntu any more. Apple did it way back and valve just updated to support 64bit for macOS.
  - fathyb 4y ago
    FWIW we've been waiting for a native M1 Steam app on macOS for more than 2 years since launch, I guess we need to wait for Apple to drop Intel support.
    - Gigachad 4y ago
      Valve does some outstanding work on things like Proton and the Steamdeck, but the main client is incredibly bad. It's slow and clunky on every platform including windows. Its _just_ good enough to be usable but still leaves you feeling disappointed. IIRC its essentially build on same concept as electron but an entirely custom thing since electron presumably didn't exist when they created it.
  - Nullabillity 4y ago
    Many games are still 32-bit and will never be updated. This idea of killing off distro-level 32-bit support is pretty silly overall, especially since there's never much of an excuse for doing so (beyond "but it's old so it must be bad!").
    - Gigachad 4y ago
      For games, they should probably be wrapped in some kind of emulation layer like dosbox. For still supported software, there is really no reason to continue supporting 32 bit binaries at the OS level.
      - ngcc_hk 4y ago
        Or proton … not all are dos.
      - Nullabillity 4y ago
        It's there, it works, and there will always be legacy software. What is there to gain from killing it?
        Gigachad 4y ago
        Clearly Apple and Canonical felt there was a lot to be gained. The obvious one being that you don’t have to build and host a second set of packages for 32 bit.
- daniel-thompson 4y ago
  When I tried installing it via apt on ubuntu 2204, it wanted to install an entire 32-bit GPU driver chain. Couldn't ctrl-c fast enough
  - tapoxi 4y ago
    It's still 32-bit on Windows too, for some reason. I have it installed via Flatpak to avoid the pile of 32-bit libraries.
  - pathartl 4y ago
    Ah okay yeah that's a huge issue.

But still only as a 32-bit binary, in 2023.

by trasz3 4y ago

But still only as a 32-bit binary, in 2023.

pathartl 4y ago

Does it need to be 64-bit?

Gigachad 4y ago
There is pressure to drop support for running 32 bit binaries and to stop packaging 32 bit libraries. Steam is pretty much the main force holding this transition off. Ubuntu proposed it a while ago and valve said they just wouldn’t support Ubuntu any more. Apple did it way back and valve just updated to support 64bit for macOS.
- fathyb 4y ago
  FWIW we've been waiting for a native M1 Steam app on macOS for more than 2 years since launch, I guess we need to wait for Apple to drop Intel support.
  - Gigachad 4y ago
    Valve does some outstanding work on things like Proton and the Steamdeck, but the main client is incredibly bad. It's slow and clunky on every platform including windows. Its _just_ good enough to be usable but still leaves you feeling disappointed. IIRC its essentially build on same concept as electron but an entirely custom thing since electron presumably didn't exist when they created it.
- Nullabillity 4y ago
  Many games are still 32-bit and will never be updated. This idea of killing off distro-level 32-bit support is pretty silly overall, especially since there's never much of an excuse for doing so (beyond "but it's old so it must be bad!").
  - Gigachad 4y ago
    For games, they should probably be wrapped in some kind of emulation layer like dosbox. For still supported software, there is really no reason to continue supporting 32 bit binaries at the OS level.
    - ngcc_hk 4y ago
      Or proton … not all are dos.
    - Nullabillity 4y ago
      It's there, it works, and there will always be legacy software. What is there to gain from killing it?
      - Gigachad 4y ago
        Clearly Apple and Canonical felt there was a lot to be gained. The obvious one being that you don’t have to build and host a second set of packages for 32 bit.
daniel-thompson 4y ago
When I tried installing it via apt on ubuntu 2204, it wanted to install an entire 32-bit GPU driver chain. Couldn't ctrl-c fast enough
- tapoxi 4y ago
  It's still 32-bit on Windows too, for some reason. I have it installed via Flatpak to avoid the pile of 32-bit libraries.
- pathartl 4y ago
  Ah okay yeah that's a huge issue.