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> Thing is this is also still the really basic stuff. It's only going to get worse as they attempt to shift more complicated things. Indeed. And stats like th

> Thing is this is also still the really basic stuff. It's only going to get worse as they attempt to shift more complicated things. Indeed. And stats like that does make you kind of worry about pharmaceuticals where India is something like number two worldwide as supplier of APIs to the global Pharma industry. API = Active Pharmaceutical Ingredient, or typically described as "active ingredient" on the labelling of the pills you take. Disclaimer: I'm not making claims or insinuations here, I've insufficient knowledge of Pharma to do so. I said "makes you think" for a reason, i.e. pure speculation, probably wrong.

jpgvm 4y ago
Industrial chemistry is not easy but it's still substantially easier than electronics manufacturing and much less reliant on well trained workforce and logistics so it's likely fine but tbh I don't have the background to know either.
- randcraw 4y ago
  Yes, but the issue with pharmaceuticals is safety -- compliance with regulation and close monitoring of medication ingredient quality. That's something that numerous Indian manufacturers continue to have difficulty ensuring.
passwordoops 4y ago
The difference is India's been an API manufacturing hub for a while now, so I would think the hiccups are likely out of the system at this point. Pharma is also much less manual, and has standards and guidelines like GMP, so generally easier to export. But to really understand what 50% means in the context of Apple, it would be interesting to see how long it took China to achieve such great numbers in tech manufacturing, and even seeing how long it took India to become acceptable to pharma QA standards
- randcraw 4y ago
  Excluding the recent impurities (NDMA and NDEA) that took losartan, irbesartan, and valsartan off the market for months -- made by Hetero Labs, Mylan Laboratories, and Aurobindo Pharma in India (and Zhejiang Huahai in China)?
permo-w 4y ago
> Disclaimer: I'm not making claims or insinuations here, I've insufficient knowledge of Pharma to do so. I said "makes you think" for a reason, i.e. pure speculation, probably wrong I don’t accept this disclaimer. “makes you …” is not a phrase people use when they’re trying to avoid implications or insinuations. the opposite, in fact, so much so that I’d say that it’s probably as often used seriously as it is humorously to mock conspiracy types who might structure an argument like that. Disclaimer: I’m not suggesting that you’re making a conspiracy theory, or that I even disagree with your comment, just that the disclaimer doesn’t hold water
- traceroute66 4y ago
  @permo-w Get lost. My disclaimer was written as is and means exactly what it says, i.e. making clear it was pure speculation and that I knew nothing of the Pharma industry. In other words, I was openly inviting people to dismiss the comment as worthless. There is no reading between the lines to be done.
  - permo-w 4y ago
    I'm objecting to you acting as if including a disclaimer negates the exclusive use of "makes you think" to insinuate. if you don't want to imply, don't include a podcast host "but I'm just a dumb guy" disclaimer at the end, use a phrase that isn't 100% always used to insinuate, or don't say it. it's as simple as that can you see how this works from my reply to your comment? I spent the whole comment slating what you said, then stuck in a disclaimer at the end to point out that I don't really disagree with what you said, nor do I intend to insult you, and yet you still got emotional about it. disclaimers like that are lazy and don't change the fact that you said something. why not just put the same extra effort into making your words more clear?

jpgvm 4y ago

Industrial chemistry is not easy but it's still substantially easier than electronics manufacturing and much less reliant on well trained workforce and logistics so it's likely fine but tbh I don't have the background to know either.

randcraw 4y ago
Yes, but the issue with pharmaceuticals is safety -- compliance with regulation and close monitoring of medication ingredient quality. That's something that numerous Indian manufacturers continue to have difficulty ensuring.

passwordoops 4y ago

The difference is India's been an API manufacturing hub for a while now, so I would think the hiccups are likely out of the system at this point. Pharma is also much less manual, and has standards and guidelines like GMP, so generally easier to export. But to really understand what 50% means in the context of Apple, it would be interesting to see how long it took China to achieve such great numbers in tech manufacturing, and even seeing how long it took India to become acceptable to pharma QA standards

randcraw 4y ago
Excluding the recent impurities (NDMA and NDEA) that took losartan, irbesartan, and valsartan off the market for months -- made by Hetero Labs, Mylan Laboratories, and Aurobindo Pharma in India (and Zhejiang Huahai in China)?

permo-w 4y ago

> Disclaimer: I'm not making claims or insinuations here, I've insufficient knowledge of Pharma to do so. I said "makes you think" for a reason, i.e. pure speculation, probably wrong I don’t accept this disclaimer. “makes you …” is not a phrase people use when they’re trying to avoid implications or insinuations. the opposite, in fact, so much so that I’d say that it’s probably as often used seriously as it is humorously to mock conspiracy types who might structure an argument like that. Disclaimer: I’m not suggesting that you’re making a conspiracy theory, or that I even disagree with your comment, just that the disclaimer doesn’t hold water

traceroute66 4y ago
@permo-w Get lost. My disclaimer was written as is and means exactly what it says, i.e. making clear it was pure speculation and that I knew nothing of the Pharma industry. In other words, I was openly inviting people to dismiss the comment as worthless. There is no reading between the lines to be done.
- permo-w 4y ago
  I'm objecting to you acting as if including a disclaimer negates the exclusive use of "makes you think" to insinuate. if you don't want to imply, don't include a podcast host "but I'm just a dumb guy" disclaimer at the end, use a phrase that isn't 100% always used to insinuate, or don't say it. it's as simple as that can you see how this works from my reply to your comment? I spent the whole comment slating what you said, then stuck in a disclaimer at the end to point out that I don't really disagree with what you said, nor do I intend to insult you, and yet you still got emotional about it. disclaimers like that are lazy and don't change the fact that you said something. why not just put the same extra effort into making your words more clear?