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Unfortunately even the most modern nations have politicians pushing to "cut red tape" Im truly shocked the private sector in Turkey didn't solve this problem t

by shmatt 4y ago

Unfortunately even the most modern nations have politicians pushing to "cut red tape" Im truly shocked the private sector in Turkey didn't solve this problem themselves, and needed government oversight to make sure they're doing their job correctly

im3w1l 4y ago
I think that's a healthy thing. Regulation has advantages and disadvantages. Sometimes it goes too far and sometimes it doesn't go far enough. So it makes sense to have people advocating both more and less of it.
- altcognito 4y ago
  This is a really sensible comment, and furthermore, what solutions work in South Dakota won't make sense in New York. Having a robust, flexible system of regulation that is debated without becoming an identity is healthy.
- PartiallyTyped 4y ago
  A good example of this is Nuclear and the East-Palestine / Ohio derailments from a few days ago. Nuclear is prohibitively expensive due to regulations, while more dangerous situations such as trains carrying hazardous chemicals had regulations cut [1] not too long ago. [1] https://www.eesi.org/articles/view/trump-administration-loosening-regulations-for-rail-transportation-of-flammable-natural-gas https://www.eesi.org/articles/view/trump-administration-loos...
TulliusCicero 4y ago
The red tape people are asking to be cut isn't basic safety regulations, generally speaking. Japan is the reference Turkey was supposed to follow for dealing with earthquakes, and Japan is known for both building being fairly easy ("as of right"), and also for being relatively strict for earthquake resistance. You can have both.
- manuelabeledo 4y ago
  Japan may be one of the very few countries where real estate is not an investment, precisely because of their strict, and ever evolving, safety standards, essentially prioritizing people over economic gains. I don't see how Turkey would commit to such an economic turnaround.
  - scythe 4y ago
    Japan has excellent freight infrastructure, which in turn sustains the construction industry, because buildings are made of stuff. Turkey, well... Mexico is beating them. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/World_railway_network.svg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/World_rai...
- linkjuice4all 4y ago
  Can you elaborate on the specific pieces and strands of red tape that are asking to be cut that don't impact safety? I'm certainly not an expert on the depths, lengths, and colors of said tape - but typically that tape is put in place after public outcry from past negligence or perhaps by entrenched players looking to protect their dominant market position by increasing costs to new entrants. If it's the latter I'd imagine there's easily-cited examples of obvious marketing protection that has nothing to do with safety.
  - yostrovs 4y ago
    In the United States, a room must have a closet to be considered a bedroom. If you want to build cheap housing, one way to lower cost is to not to have a closet, something that matters in high density housing. But then you can't market your apartments as having N number of bedrooms. That's a non-safety regulation that's quite arbitrary since prior to about 100 years ago closets were very rare, but many of the houses from then still stand. Mine's master bedroom doesn't count as a bedroom, dropping the value of my house considerably.
    - dboreham 4y ago

by shmatt 4y ago

im3w1l 4y ago

I think that's a healthy thing. Regulation has advantages and disadvantages. Sometimes it goes too far and sometimes it doesn't go far enough. So it makes sense to have people advocating both more and less of it.

altcognito 4y ago
This is a really sensible comment, and furthermore, what solutions work in South Dakota won't make sense in New York. Having a robust, flexible system of regulation that is debated without becoming an identity is healthy.
PartiallyTyped 4y ago
A good example of this is Nuclear and the East-Palestine / Ohio derailments from a few days ago. Nuclear is prohibitively expensive due to regulations, while more dangerous situations such as trains carrying hazardous chemicals had regulations cut [1] not too long ago. [1] https://www.eesi.org/articles/view/trump-administration-loosening-regulations-for-rail-transportation-of-flammable-natural-gas https://www.eesi.org/articles/view/trump-administration-loos...

TulliusCicero 4y ago

The red tape people are asking to be cut isn't basic safety regulations, generally speaking. Japan is the reference Turkey was supposed to follow for dealing with earthquakes, and Japan is known for both building being fairly easy ("as of right"), and also for being relatively strict for earthquake resistance. You can have both.

manuelabeledo 4y ago
Japan may be one of the very few countries where real estate is not an investment, precisely because of their strict, and ever evolving, safety standards, essentially prioritizing people over economic gains. I don't see how Turkey would commit to such an economic turnaround.
- scythe 4y ago
  Japan has excellent freight infrastructure, which in turn sustains the construction industry, because buildings are made of stuff. Turkey, well... Mexico is beating them. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/World_railway_network.svg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/World_rai...
linkjuice4all 4y ago
Can you elaborate on the specific pieces and strands of red tape that are asking to be cut that don't impact safety? I'm certainly not an expert on the depths, lengths, and colors of said tape - but typically that tape is put in place after public outcry from past negligence or perhaps by entrenched players looking to protect their dominant market position by increasing costs to new entrants. If it's the latter I'd imagine there's easily-cited examples of obvious marketing protection that has nothing to do with safety.
- yostrovs 4y ago
  In the United States, a room must have a closet to be considered a bedroom. If you want to build cheap housing, one way to lower cost is to not to have a closet, something that matters in high density housing. But then you can't market your apartments as having N number of bedrooms. That's a non-safety regulation that's quite arbitrary since prior to about 100 years ago closets were very rare, but many of the houses from then still stand. Mine's master bedroom doesn't count as a bedroom, dropping the value of my house considerably.
  - dboreham 4y ago