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In many countries university admissions depend only on test scores. The only exception are the winners of nationwide competitions, who can enter any university

by test624 15y ago

In many countries university admissions depend only on test scores. The only exception are the winners of nationwide competitions, who can enter any university they choose.

swombat 15y ago
That's a system that Oxford explicitly rejects. They even give a test for science candidates, and then don't really care about the results (they're just there to check that you're not completely ignorant). Oxford selects for potential, not for test results. How do they judge that potential? Well, they have developed detectors which are really advanced, carefully calibrated, extremely sensitive and incredibly difficult to game. Those detectors come in the form of "professors" who have been teaching for 20+ years and know how to judge a student's potential from a 20 minute interview. Disclaimer: I went to Oxford.
- mstevens 15y ago
  What evidence is there for the quality of these "detectors"?
  - swombat 15y ago
    The incredible quality of people that study there, and of the people that come out of it.
    - mstevens 15y ago
      I'm just generally very suspicious of any "expert judges situation by magical intuition" story. I do generally have a good opinion of Oxbridge, despite the fact they turned me down :)
screwt 15y ago
You need to take into account that test scores don't tell you enough. Currently roughly 8% get the top grade (A star) at A level, per subject [1]. I can't find a number for what %age of students achieve all-A star grades, but I expect it's still greater than the number who apply to Oxford or Cambridge. It's the job of the interview to distinguish between those who have the potential to go beyond what's needed for A levels. For the most part, if someone has had to work extremely hard to achieve the top A-level grades, they're going to struggle at Oxbridge where the level is that much higher. I'm not saying the current interview process is perfect, but test scores alone don't tell you enough to distinguish the best students. Disclaimer: I went to Cambridge. [1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11012369 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11012369 (edit: asterisk -> "star" to avoid italicising)

by test624 15y ago

In many countries university admissions depend only on test scores. The only exception are the winners of nationwide competitions, who can enter any university they choose.

swombat 15y ago

That's a system that Oxford explicitly rejects. They even give a test for science candidates, and then don't really care about the results (they're just there to check that you're not completely ignorant). Oxford selects for potential, not for test results. How do they judge that potential? Well, they have developed detectors which are really advanced, carefully calibrated, extremely sensitive and incredibly difficult to game. Those detectors come in the form of "professors" who have been teaching for 20+ years and know how to judge a student's potential from a 20 minute interview. Disclaimer: I went to Oxford.

mstevens 15y ago
What evidence is there for the quality of these "detectors"?
- swombat 15y ago
  The incredible quality of people that study there, and of the people that come out of it.
  - mstevens 15y ago
    I'm just generally very suspicious of any "expert judges situation by magical intuition" story. I do generally have a good opinion of Oxbridge, despite the fact they turned me down :)

screwt 15y ago

You need to take into account that test scores don't tell you enough. Currently roughly 8% get the top grade (A star) at A level, per subject [1]. I can't find a number for what %age of students achieve all-A star grades, but I expect it's still greater than the number who apply to Oxford or Cambridge. It's the job of the interview to distinguish between those who have the potential to go beyond what's needed for A levels. For the most part, if someone has had to work extremely hard to achieve the top A-level grades, they're going to struggle at Oxbridge where the level is that much higher. I'm not saying the current interview process is perfect, but test scores alone don't tell you enough to distinguish the best students. Disclaimer: I went to Cambridge. [1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11012369 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11012369 (edit: asterisk -> "star" to avoid italicising)