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> barely-tech-literate people I think this is a little unfair. I would not blame anyone for thinking that the part of the image they cropped is deleted. That's

> barely-tech-literate people I think this is a little unfair. I would not blame anyone for thinking that the part of the image they cropped is deleted. That's what the word means, that's what it looks like is happening, there's usually no warning that it's recoverable. When you delete text it is really gone from the document, even though you can undo to get it back. It's totally reasonable to expect images to work the same way.

a_shovel 4y ago
What I had in mind when I was writing that was a story I once read of a user who did all of her computer interactions through Word (i.e. all of her emails were empty with a Word document attachment containing the text, among a few other amusing anecdotes). But yeah, the characterization is a bit unfair from that perspective.
- alpaca128 4y ago
  I know a few people personally who mainly used Word (and increasingly also web browsers) when working on computers, and it's sometimes obvious they view everything a computer does through that lens. For some people only used to Windows even appstores are a foreign concept, a relative's first impulse when trying to install a phone app is to open the phone's web browser and do a Google search. Those are things many recent UI "improvements" haven't considered.
heavenlyblue 4y ago
Arguably even undo is probably now saved in the documents themselves.
wolrah 4y ago
OP isn't saying the person is barely tech literate because they didn't expect the image to be restorable, but that they're likely barely tech literate because they were using a word processor as an image editor. Abusing Microsoft Office applications to do things they're not designed to do has sort of a bathtub curve of likelihood versus tech literacy. The people most likely to do it are either largely tech illiterate or skilled hackers with far too much time on their hands.
- thrashh 4y ago
  Are y’all telling me you don’t use cropping in your word processor? I’m well aware that it’s reversible so I’m careful of what I put in to begin with, but I’m not going to open an image editor unless I really have to I have other shit to do
  - zinekeller 4y ago
    Again, it's not for 99% of people who have just cropped out the expanse of the sky to focus on the sunflower, it's for journalists and whistleblowers who normally be not familiar with the pitfalls of the technology that they're using. That's it, no-one is forcing you to use the built-in cropping tool if you don't care that someone might see what the whole picture is but it is a valuable information for someone blowing the whistle in cases like child abuses at certain subcontractors of a well-known car factory.
    - thrashh 4y ago
      Not at all. This affects everyone Kevin in accounting might be making a document for work and might take a screenshot of his entire desktop to put in an onboarding document, intending to crop it. He could have a password in Notepad off to the side

a_shovel 4y ago

What I had in mind when I was writing that was a story I once read of a user who did all of her computer interactions through Word (i.e. all of her emails were empty with a Word document attachment containing the text, among a few other amusing anecdotes). But yeah, the characterization is a bit unfair from that perspective.

alpaca128 4y ago
I know a few people personally who mainly used Word (and increasingly also web browsers) when working on computers, and it's sometimes obvious they view everything a computer does through that lens. For some people only used to Windows even appstores are a foreign concept, a relative's first impulse when trying to install a phone app is to open the phone's web browser and do a Google search. Those are things many recent UI "improvements" haven't considered.

heavenlyblue 4y ago

Arguably even undo is probably now saved in the documents themselves.

wolrah 4y ago

OP isn't saying the person is barely tech literate because they didn't expect the image to be restorable, but that they're likely barely tech literate because they were using a word processor as an image editor. Abusing Microsoft Office applications to do things they're not designed to do has sort of a bathtub curve of likelihood versus tech literacy. The people most likely to do it are either largely tech illiterate or skilled hackers with far too much time on their hands.

thrashh 4y ago
Are y’all telling me you don’t use cropping in your word processor? I’m well aware that it’s reversible so I’m careful of what I put in to begin with, but I’m not going to open an image editor unless I really have to I have other shit to do
- zinekeller 4y ago
  Again, it's not for 99% of people who have just cropped out the expanse of the sky to focus on the sunflower, it's for journalists and whistleblowers who normally be not familiar with the pitfalls of the technology that they're using. That's it, no-one is forcing you to use the built-in cropping tool if you don't care that someone might see what the whole picture is but it is a valuable information for someone blowing the whistle in cases like child abuses at certain subcontractors of a well-known car factory.
  - thrashh 4y ago
    Not at all. This affects everyone Kevin in accounting might be making a document for work and might take a screenshot of his entire desktop to put in an onboarding document, intending to crop it. He could have a password in Notepad off to the side