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Does anyone irritate grazing land? Is that common at all?

by colechristensen 4y ago

anigbrowl 4y ago
Do you mean irrigate?
- colechristensen 4y ago
  Yes. I suffer from my iPhone picking the correct word and then changing it after i enter the next one.
lazide 4y ago
Decently common on somewhat marginal land. Usually it’s more common to provide hay and similar supplemental feed though. Also common is post-harvest grazing.
moremetadata 4y ago
I'm assuming you mean irrigate land. Before WW2 in the UK, the countryside was covered with loads and loads of ponds and lakes for livestock to drink from and to keep the water table up. Fields were typically smaller with more hedgerows for wildlife to live in. Droughts were less of a problem back then. It was claimed the Germans Luftwaffe could fly by night on the full moon navigating by the reflection of these bodies of water, so the British govt issued orders to fill in these ponds and lakes to make it harder to fly by night. Consequently the water table on farmland fell causing more drought problems and after WW2 these bodies of water have never been re-established by govt orders. The history of the wild apple is also interesting. The Soviet Union paid people to conserve these, but the breakup of the USSR meant these were no longer looked after. They also displayed a symbiotic relationship with other plants just like livestock has displayed a symbiotic relationship with the land. "Prickly shrubs, such as eglantine and barberry exhibiting symbiotic relationships with wild apples by shielding them from predators were also cut" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malus_sieversii#Conservation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malus_sieversii#Conservation If there were no wild animals, like deer that can feed on the leaves, then the bottom of trees would reach to the floor. The main problem has been trying to feed a growing human population whilst keeping them under control, so ideas sometimes dominate which shouldn't, like we see here with solar cells providing shelter for livestock like sheep.
- biorach 4y ago
  > It was claimed the Germans Luftwaffe could fly by night on the full moon navigating by the reflection of these bodies of water, so the British govt issued orders to fill in these ponds and lakes to make it harder to fly by night. > Consequently the water table on farmland fell causing more drought problems and after WW2 these bodies of water have never been re-established by govt orders. Citation?
  - crakenzak 4y ago
    According to chatGPT: There is no evidence to support the claim that the British government ordered the filling in of ponds and lakes during World War II to prevent the German Luftwaffe from navigating by the reflection of the moon on the water. While it is true that the full moon could provide some illumination for nighttime flights, especially with the use of specialized equipment like the Lichtenstein radar, the idea that the Luftwaffe relied solely on the reflection of water for navigation is a myth. The Luftwaffe had other means of navigation, such as radio beacons, compasses, and celestial navigation. Additionally, there is no record of any official British government policy to fill in ponds and lakes for this purpose. It is possible that individual landowners or local authorities may have taken such action, but there is no evidence of a widespread or coordinated effort by the British government to do so. Overall, this claim is false and lacks factual basis.
    - yencabulator 4y ago
      Please don't copy-paste ChatGPT output as a reply on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33945628 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33945628
  - moremetadata 4y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackout_(wartime)#Effectiveness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackout_(wartime)#Effectivene... "M. R. D. Foot argues that blackouts did not impair navigation by bombers because navigators focused more on reflective bodies of water, railroad tracks, or large highways.[13]" This is about as close as you will get to the truth. You also have what is now called Visual Flight Rules https://youtu.be/0BP_H5tzIM0?t=22 https://youtu.be/0BP_H5tzIM0?t=22 which backs up the claim that pilots used waterbodies to navigate. When people found out, many filled them automatically just like some people knocked out street lights. There own paranoia was used against them, just like we see with migrants in hotels today, or paedophiles in the neighbourhood.
pleb_nz 4y ago
In NZ it's massively common in areas that were once only suitable for sheep. But sheep products in the current environment are not worth anything, wool especially so. However, dairy has excellent value globally, So now these farms have converted to diary, but that means they need to improve the grass growth to be suitable for cattle which means irrigation. The last 10 years has seen massive swathes of land unsuitable for cattle converted to land suitable via irrigation in my country. This has led to destructive processes and pollution of rivers and water ways though irrigation and fertilisation. It's our dirty little secret.
- antod 4y ago
  Yup, sigh. NZ was a big sheep based economy when I was young. Now sheep are only for land unsuitable for cows or farmers that are stubborn holdouts. It costs more to shear the sheep than the wool is worth now - I really hope that can be turned around somehow so demand for wool can replace that for synthetic materials and those stubborn holdouts get rewarded for it.

Does anyone irritate grazing land? Is that common at all?

anigbrowl 4y ago

Do you mean irrigate?

colechristensen 4y ago
Yes. I suffer from my iPhone picking the correct word and then changing it after i enter the next one.

lazide 4y ago

Decently common on somewhat marginal land. Usually it’s more common to provide hay and similar supplemental feed though. Also common is post-harvest grazing.

moremetadata 4y ago

I'm assuming you mean irrigate land. Before WW2 in the UK, the countryside was covered with loads and loads of ponds and lakes for livestock to drink from and to keep the water table up. Fields were typically smaller with more hedgerows for wildlife to live in. Droughts were less of a problem back then. It was claimed the Germans Luftwaffe could fly by night on the full moon navigating by the reflection of these bodies of water, so the British govt issued orders to fill in these ponds and lakes to make it harder to fly by night. Consequently the water table on farmland fell causing more drought problems and after WW2 these bodies of water have never been re-established by govt orders. The history of the wild apple is also interesting. The Soviet Union paid people to conserve these, but the breakup of the USSR meant these were no longer looked after. They also displayed a symbiotic relationship with other plants just like livestock has displayed a symbiotic relationship with the land. "Prickly shrubs, such as eglantine and barberry exhibiting symbiotic relationships with wild apples by shielding them from predators were also cut" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malus_sieversii#Conservation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malus_sieversii#Conservation If there were no wild animals, like deer that can feed on the leaves, then the bottom of trees would reach to the floor. The main problem has been trying to feed a growing human population whilst keeping them under control, so ideas sometimes dominate which shouldn't, like we see here with solar cells providing shelter for livestock like sheep.

biorach 4y ago
> It was claimed the Germans Luftwaffe could fly by night on the full moon navigating by the reflection of these bodies of water, so the British govt issued orders to fill in these ponds and lakes to make it harder to fly by night. > Consequently the water table on farmland fell causing more drought problems and after WW2 these bodies of water have never been re-established by govt orders. Citation?
- crakenzak 4y ago
  According to chatGPT: There is no evidence to support the claim that the British government ordered the filling in of ponds and lakes during World War II to prevent the German Luftwaffe from navigating by the reflection of the moon on the water. While it is true that the full moon could provide some illumination for nighttime flights, especially with the use of specialized equipment like the Lichtenstein radar, the idea that the Luftwaffe relied solely on the reflection of water for navigation is a myth. The Luftwaffe had other means of navigation, such as radio beacons, compasses, and celestial navigation. Additionally, there is no record of any official British government policy to fill in ponds and lakes for this purpose. It is possible that individual landowners or local authorities may have taken such action, but there is no evidence of a widespread or coordinated effort by the British government to do so. Overall, this claim is false and lacks factual basis.
  - yencabulator 4y ago
    Please don't copy-paste ChatGPT output as a reply on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33945628 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33945628
- moremetadata 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackout_(wartime)#Effectiveness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackout_(wartime)#Effectivene... "M. R. D. Foot argues that blackouts did not impair navigation by bombers because navigators focused more on reflective bodies of water, railroad tracks, or large highways.[13]" This is about as close as you will get to the truth. You also have what is now called Visual Flight Rules https://youtu.be/0BP_H5tzIM0?t=22 https://youtu.be/0BP_H5tzIM0?t=22 which backs up the claim that pilots used waterbodies to navigate. When people found out, many filled them automatically just like some people knocked out street lights. There own paranoia was used against them, just like we see with migrants in hotels today, or paedophiles in the neighbourhood.

pleb_nz 4y ago

In NZ it's massively common in areas that were once only suitable for sheep. But sheep products in the current environment are not worth anything, wool especially so. However, dairy has excellent value globally, So now these farms have converted to diary, but that means they need to improve the grass growth to be suitable for cattle which means irrigation. The last 10 years has seen massive swathes of land unsuitable for cattle converted to land suitable via irrigation in my country. This has led to destructive processes and pollution of rivers and water ways though irrigation and fertilisation. It's our dirty little secret.

antod 4y ago
Yup, sigh. NZ was a big sheep based economy when I was young. Now sheep are only for land unsuitable for cows or farmers that are stubborn holdouts. It costs more to shear the sheep than the wool is worth now - I really hope that can be turned around somehow so demand for wool can replace that for synthetic materials and those stubborn holdouts get rewarded for it.