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> queer/trans coders are going to prefer a language where they know the community isn't going to harass them. What languages should they steer away from?

Shared404 4y ago
> What languages should they steer away from? In my experience, it's less that there's specific languages to avoid, and more that there's a general baseline of unpleasantness on the internet towards those folk. As a result, they tend to steer towards the islands where that doesn't occur.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  So the answer to the original question is ...?
  - Shared404 4y ago
    The point is that there's less of a repressive force from some areas and more of an attractive force to others. There isn't a list of "These are the problem languages", it's an experience of "Oh, this community has a CoC that protects me and has a culture I'm OK with".
    - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
      For example? I am capable of making assumptions by myself, I fail to see how these assumptions are relevant in the real World, where I never observed them except for single cases that are everywhere and happen more or less with the same frequency. I can't take an hypothetical as something that should convince me to use Rust because "some other community is worse in my fictional story"
      - Shared404 4y ago
        The point isn't to convince you to use rust, it's to explain based on my experience why the phenomenon that's been observed occurred. I can say from my personal life that I have avoided or actively gone to stores based on similar perceptions, and tend to analyze the same information whenever joining a new online community.
ostenning 4y ago
I would have thought there are community guidelines for contributing or participating in most language forums?
pjc50 4y ago
The C++ conference is determined not to be safe: https://twitter.com/pati_gallardo/status/1526465336500965376 https://twitter.com/pati_gallardo/status/1526465336500965376 "This thread came as my response to this post by CppCon. Nothing has changed. They invited a person convicted of possession of Child Sexual Abuse Imagery to a conference with a child care program. Where people are encouraged to bring their children. https://cppcon.org/2022dipost/ https://cppcon.org/2022dipost/" (note that this is a much higher bar than any mere "cancellation", the person in question has a criminal conviction)
- throwawayacc6 4y ago
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Shared404 4y ago

> What languages should they steer away from? In my experience, it's less that there's specific languages to avoid, and more that there's a general baseline of unpleasantness on the internet towards those folk. As a result, they tend to steer towards the islands where that doesn't occur.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
So the answer to the original question is ...?
- Shared404 4y ago
  The point is that there's less of a repressive force from some areas and more of an attractive force to others. There isn't a list of "These are the problem languages", it's an experience of "Oh, this community has a CoC that protects me and has a culture I'm OK with".
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    For example? I am capable of making assumptions by myself, I fail to see how these assumptions are relevant in the real World, where I never observed them except for single cases that are everywhere and happen more or less with the same frequency. I can't take an hypothetical as something that should convince me to use Rust because "some other community is worse in my fictional story"
    - Shared404 4y ago
      The point isn't to convince you to use rust, it's to explain based on my experience why the phenomenon that's been observed occurred. I can say from my personal life that I have avoided or actively gone to stores based on similar perceptions, and tend to analyze the same information whenever joining a new online community.

ostenning 4y ago

I would have thought there are community guidelines for contributing or participating in most language forums?

pjc50 4y ago

The C++ conference is determined not to be safe: https://twitter.com/pati_gallardo/status/1526465336500965376 https://twitter.com/pati_gallardo/status/1526465336500965376 "This thread came as my response to this post by CppCon. Nothing has changed. They invited a person convicted of possession of Child Sexual Abuse Imagery to a conference with a child care program. Where people are encouraged to bring their children. https://cppcon.org/2022dipost/ https://cppcon.org/2022dipost/" (note that this is a much higher bar than any mere "cancellation", the person in question has a criminal conviction)

throwawayacc6 4y ago
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