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Morrowind will still not be popular with younger players. I imagine the lack of fast travel, map markers and the class/skill system is just too much for most.

entropicdrifter 4y ago
Part of the game is learning how to figure out what the fuck you're supposed to do. I love immersive sim games. Miss back in the day when we didn't have maps for dungeons and you were supposed to be drawing a map on paper. I never did, as a little kid I just learned how to memorize dungeon layouts really well and now I memorize any place I go on foot.
tekmate 4y ago
just brand it "the dark souls of x" and young players won't be bothered by complexity
- coldacid 4y ago
  Morrowind: The Dark Souls of The Elder Scrolls. It has a nice ring to it!
  - Freedom2 4y ago
    I don't know if it has a nice ring to it, the title is a bit unwieldy to say.
    - qbrass 4y ago
      It's the Dark Souls of game titles.
herculity275 4y ago
I mean the open world design philosophy in Elden Ring is not too dissimilar to Morrowind's and it was a massive hit. What really needs updating is the combat system, it wasn't great when the game came out and it aged horribly.
- bigbillheck 4y ago
  I haven't played Morrowind, but Elden Ring has both map markers and fast travel.
  - dharmab 4y ago
    Morrowind is similar, with map markers for major landmarks and diegetic fast travel, but still requiring the player to explore and orient to find quest objectives.
tsgagnon 4y ago
The visuals are pretty rough and the map is small. The map size actually is a blessing though since your character moves at a snails pace. The gameplay, especially from a melee perspective, is rough at best, and directly unfun at its worst.
- out_of_protocol 4y ago
  > character moves at a snails pace. Boots of blinding speed to the rescue! No idea why authors think it was good idea to make default speed so low and lock game-fixing item behind some random-looking quest in the middle of nowhere
  - linuxftw 4y ago
    That was the beauty of the game. You could randomly find amazing things.
- Arrath 4y ago
  A case of limitations working in concert. The rather oppressive distance fog helped conceal just how small the world was, and it felt a lot more expansive thanks to the slower pace of the game. No sprinting, no mounts, no fast-travel-from-anywhere (beyond mark/recall and the teleport to temple spells) and the in-game fast travel systems were varied, thought out and well placed. Having to plan a route of mage guild teleports, boat rides, stilt striders, and/or the teleportation complexes helped immerse the player in the world.
- pathartl 4y ago
  Yep, my first TES was Oblivion and I loved it so much that I tried going back to Morrowind. I don't mind having to read and I don't mind walking, but holy hell the combat makes the game almost inaccessible.
babypuncher 4y ago
I think younger players can get over those things. The dealbreaker with Morrowind is the incredibly clunky and frustrating combat system. It presents as a real time first-person action game, but almost every action you take in a combat scenario is governed my hidden die rolls. When a player swings their sword and they see it visibly clip through an enemy, but the die roll calls it a miss, the player feels like they've been cheated by the system. The combat in this game was considered rough when it was new, and it has only aged like milk since then.
- godshatter 4y ago
  If they had simply shown "hit" or "miss" when the weapon was used, it would have been less frustrating, I think. Even if it still intersects the character model, you would at least know the miss was intentional and not a bug.
causi 4y ago
I gotta admit, as someone whose first Morrowind experience was on a smartphone running OpenMW, combat that requires aiming correctly and having hit chance was infuriating. One or the other would be fine, like with a Zelda-esque lock-on feature combined with hit chance.
none_to_remain 4y ago
Morrowind has several different systems of fast travel, the best being the silt strider
- chongli 4y ago
  No way! My favourite method of fast travel will always be scrolls of Icarian flight. Sooo freaking hilarious!
  - pathartl 4y ago
    I remember first coming across the scroll at the beginning of the game. "Surely this isn't intentional? I have some sort of mod installed don't I?"
- out_of_protocol 4y ago
  Mark-recall, teleport to temple, teleport to imperial cult, mage guild, silt striders, boats, propilion marks, overcharged jump spell ;)

entropicdrifter 4y ago

Part of the game is learning how to figure out what the fuck you're supposed to do. I love immersive sim games. Miss back in the day when we didn't have maps for dungeons and you were supposed to be drawing a map on paper. I never did, as a little kid I just learned how to memorize dungeon layouts really well and now I memorize any place I go on foot.

tekmate 4y ago

just brand it "the dark souls of x" and young players won't be bothered by complexity

coldacid 4y ago
Morrowind: The Dark Souls of The Elder Scrolls. It has a nice ring to it!
- Freedom2 4y ago
  I don't know if it has a nice ring to it, the title is a bit unwieldy to say.
  - qbrass 4y ago
    It's the Dark Souls of game titles.

herculity275 4y ago

I mean the open world design philosophy in Elden Ring is not too dissimilar to Morrowind's and it was a massive hit. What really needs updating is the combat system, it wasn't great when the game came out and it aged horribly.

bigbillheck 4y ago
I haven't played Morrowind, but Elden Ring has both map markers and fast travel.
- dharmab 4y ago
  Morrowind is similar, with map markers for major landmarks and diegetic fast travel, but still requiring the player to explore and orient to find quest objectives.

tsgagnon 4y ago

The visuals are pretty rough and the map is small. The map size actually is a blessing though since your character moves at a snails pace. The gameplay, especially from a melee perspective, is rough at best, and directly unfun at its worst.

out_of_protocol 4y ago
> character moves at a snails pace. Boots of blinding speed to the rescue! No idea why authors think it was good idea to make default speed so low and lock game-fixing item behind some random-looking quest in the middle of nowhere
- linuxftw 4y ago
  That was the beauty of the game. You could randomly find amazing things.
Arrath 4y ago
A case of limitations working in concert. The rather oppressive distance fog helped conceal just how small the world was, and it felt a lot more expansive thanks to the slower pace of the game. No sprinting, no mounts, no fast-travel-from-anywhere (beyond mark/recall and the teleport to temple spells) and the in-game fast travel systems were varied, thought out and well placed. Having to plan a route of mage guild teleports, boat rides, stilt striders, and/or the teleportation complexes helped immerse the player in the world.
pathartl 4y ago
Yep, my first TES was Oblivion and I loved it so much that I tried going back to Morrowind. I don't mind having to read and I don't mind walking, but holy hell the combat makes the game almost inaccessible.

babypuncher 4y ago

I think younger players can get over those things. The dealbreaker with Morrowind is the incredibly clunky and frustrating combat system. It presents as a real time first-person action game, but almost every action you take in a combat scenario is governed my hidden die rolls. When a player swings their sword and they see it visibly clip through an enemy, but the die roll calls it a miss, the player feels like they've been cheated by the system. The combat in this game was considered rough when it was new, and it has only aged like milk since then.

godshatter 4y ago
If they had simply shown "hit" or "miss" when the weapon was used, it would have been less frustrating, I think. Even if it still intersects the character model, you would at least know the miss was intentional and not a bug.

causi 4y ago

I gotta admit, as someone whose first Morrowind experience was on a smartphone running OpenMW, combat that requires aiming correctly and having hit chance was infuriating. One or the other would be fine, like with a Zelda-esque lock-on feature combined with hit chance.

none_to_remain 4y ago

Morrowind has several different systems of fast travel, the best being the silt strider

chongli 4y ago
No way! My favourite method of fast travel will always be scrolls of Icarian flight. Sooo freaking hilarious!
- pathartl 4y ago
  I remember first coming across the scroll at the beginning of the game. "Surely this isn't intentional? I have some sort of mod installed don't I?"
out_of_protocol 4y ago
Mark-recall, teleport to temple, teleport to imperial cult, mage guild, silt striders, boats, propilion marks, overcharged jump spell ;)