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The author seems a bit too paranoid, if you ask me. I stopped reading the article when they mentioned that “Disneyland.com didn’t work on Tor”

coyotespike 4y ago
I'm with both of you. I was an early ProtonMail and ProtonVPN supporter and for years would only chat to family members over Signal. I'm conscious of how my phone can track me and of the benefits of using cash. But I still can't see how avoiding Disney tracking is for her kids' "safety". The Mouse doesn't loom so large in my mind. And I can't judge family members for making the judgment call that they don't really care what Facebook and Google collect about their online activity.
- ploum 4y ago
  The point is not to be paranoid about what will happen if data leak, the point is to stick to "I don’t want my data shared without my consent" and see what happens. We badly need more experiment like those because this tell a lot about our society! It’s exactly like vegan diets. You have moral principles and you try to see how far/how difficult it is to apply them. This also helps other realize what is happening/what they are missing. I admire her because I would be like her before having kids. As they say: "I had principles. Now I have kids.".
kleiba 4y ago
You've got to understand that you kids have been raised in different times. In the 1980's, the German state tried twice to do a census of the population. Twice the protests by the people were so vivid, that they failed to do them. In 1983, the highest German court declared the planned census unconstitutional and in 1987, protests on May 1st turned into violence over this issue. In 2022, Germany did a census again. There was basically no public objection.
- NovaDudely 4y ago
  Another data point, here in Australia we do a census every 5 years. Never really heard any objection other than it is annoying.
  - snapcaster 4y ago
    Germany has a very unique history when it comes to how records of their population were used...
    - chaostheory 4y ago
      Not totally unique. The US government used its census for Japanese internment camps.
      - FroshKiller 4y ago
        And it was American innovation that made the use of that census data possible for both countries thanks to Herman Hollerith's punch cards & tabulators and Thomas Watson's greed leading IBM to furnish the Nazis with that technology.

coyotespike 4y ago

I'm with both of you. I was an early ProtonMail and ProtonVPN supporter and for years would only chat to family members over Signal. I'm conscious of how my phone can track me and of the benefits of using cash. But I still can't see how avoiding Disney tracking is for her kids' "safety". The Mouse doesn't loom so large in my mind. And I can't judge family members for making the judgment call that they don't really care what Facebook and Google collect about their online activity.

ploum 4y ago
The point is not to be paranoid about what will happen if data leak, the point is to stick to "I don’t want my data shared without my consent" and see what happens. We badly need more experiment like those because this tell a lot about our society! It’s exactly like vegan diets. You have moral principles and you try to see how far/how difficult it is to apply them. This also helps other realize what is happening/what they are missing. I admire her because I would be like her before having kids. As they say: "I had principles. Now I have kids.".

kleiba 4y ago

You've got to understand that you kids have been raised in different times. In the 1980's, the German state tried twice to do a census of the population. Twice the protests by the people were so vivid, that they failed to do them. In 1983, the highest German court declared the planned census unconstitutional and in 1987, protests on May 1st turned into violence over this issue. In 2022, Germany did a census again. There was basically no public objection.

NovaDudely 4y ago
Another data point, here in Australia we do a census every 5 years. Never really heard any objection other than it is annoying.
- snapcaster 4y ago
  Germany has a very unique history when it comes to how records of their population were used...
  - chaostheory 4y ago
    Not totally unique. The US government used its census for Japanese internment camps.
    - FroshKiller 4y ago
      And it was American innovation that made the use of that census data possible for both countries thanks to Herman Hollerith's punch cards & tabulators and Thomas Watson's greed leading IBM to furnish the Nazis with that technology.