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Why? Surely you understand that your entire existence is predicated on being protected by a sovereign nation that prevents others from murdering you and stealin
by rcme 4y ago
Why? Surely you understand that your entire existence is predicated on being protected by a sovereign nation that prevents others from murdering you and stealing your stuff.
- georgeg23 4y agoWorld is too small for this mindset anymore. Isolationism is no longer possible.
- yunwal 4y agoAh and that means we have to build the death robot. Right. I'd personally prefer we take the disarmament approach, but there's no money in that I guess.
- rcme 4y agoI agree that peace would be ideal, but that's not how things have played out historically. The pattern thus far in human history has been: 1) Group of people gain a technological advantage 2) Said group of people use the technological advantage to kill or subjugate others. The right strategy is probably to hope for the best and plan for the worst.
- yunwal 4y agoThere's really only been 2 technological advances in weaponry that could possibly be an existential threat to humanity (nukes being the other, and existential threat to humanity is perhaps an exaggeration there). I don't think these require the same approach as non-world-destroying weapons where "speak softly and carry a big stick" can work. Existential threats require real diplomacy. Not just, oh let's give the weapons to the "good guys". The only way to stop this is for technologists to decide that we don't want this thing to exist. Virologists are trying the same approach with gain-of-function research, and it has mostly worked. Yes, it requires sanctions, and politics, and some people will attempt to circumvent laws and safeguards in thirst for power. Those people must be stopped.
- YurgenJurgensen 4y agoLike how sanctions and politics prevented Russia's invasion of Ukraine?
- yunwal 4y agoThis is not really the dunk you think it is. Light consensus among foreign policy experts is that sanctions are working[0][1]. Meanwhile our wars in the Middle East have not brought about world peace. [0] - https://www.foreignaffairs.com/russian-federation/sanctions-russia-are-working https://www.foreignaffairs.com/russian-federation/sanctions-... [1] - https://www.npr.org/2022/12/27/1144226139/russia-sanctions-ukraine-war https://www.npr.org/2022/12/27/1144226139/russia-sanctions-u...
- YurgenJurgensen 4y agoThat's moving the goalposts. In a world with 'existential threat' (your words, not mine) weapons, making war inconvenient and take longer isn't enough, because one war ends everything. Sanctions and politics has to stop every war with 100% efficacy because the weapons in question cannot be matched. The fact that an invasion happened at all proves you wrong.
- yunwal 4y agoSevere sanctions should be applied to any country or individual attempting to develop autonomous weapons. Additionally, the "Mark of Death" should be applied to any technologist working on autonomous weapons. They should be outcast from society, given no support. Hardware manufacturers should not work with them, cloud computing companies shouldn't work with them. All it takes is for us as a profession to decide we don't want to destroy the world. Yes, there will be some people who try, but they won't be able to achieve this without the support of hundreds of thousands of people. People in the tech community like to pretend like this is impossible, but very few people want to be social and professional outcasts. We have yet to see a lab-designed virus kill off humanity, despite it being theoretically possible to create.
- figassis 4y agoWe have lots of valid arguments for everything...but where do we think this is going to end? All living peacefully with AI as the ultimate deterrent? Nukes had to be used to become a deterrent. Now we have something no one can claim to be able to control...still let's keep on marching.