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This is fine. CEOs are people, and it's good for people to take vacations. If you're against toxic hustle culture, don't be mad about this. It feels oddly purit

This is fine. CEOs are people, and it's good for people to take vacations. If you're against toxic hustle culture, don't be mad about this. It feels oddly puritan. A lot of people seem to have this idea that layoffs are usually wrong, and that it means the company/CEO did something bad. That's just not reality. Laying off people wasn't a sin, and his vacation isn't him reveling in his sinful lifestyle.

thesuitonym 4y ago
Do you think any of his employees could have even afforded that vacation? Do you think he sees the people he laid off as people? Why should we give him that courtesy?
- shpx 4y ago
  A 10 day trip to Tahiti from San Francisco in March costs $600-$700 for the flights https://www.google.com/flights https://www.google.com/flights hotels cost anywhere between $100-$500/night https://www.booking.com/searchresults.html?&ss=Tahiti%2C%20French%20Polynesia https://www.booking.com/searchresults.html?&ss=Tahiti%2C%20F... finally, I'm guessing $100/day on meals should be enough. So you are asking if sales people making $114K-$212K, or $3,174-$5,608 per month after California income tax https://www.levels.fyi/companies/salesforce/salaries/sales https://www.levels.fyi/companies/salesforce/salaries/sales https://smartasset.com/taxes/california-paycheck-calculator https://smartasset.com/taxes/california-paycheck-calculator can afford a $3,000-$5,000 vacation. On the internet someone said they got 5 months of severance pay, if it's true and it's a lump sum payment then it seems like all of them have the money for it, unless they were spending more than they were making or need more than 4 months to find a job that pays the same.
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- Matticus_Rex 4y ago
  Maybe, maybe not, but I don't think any of his employees could be hired for his job, either. I would assume that he does see the people he laid off as people, yes. I know a lot of executives and wealthy investors, and I have yet to see the sociopathy people attribute to them (though I do know of a few credible stories of particular exceptions, particularly in older industries). And Benioff in particular has a fairly good reputation among people who have worked with him, from what I understand.
  - danaris 4y ago
    > Maybe, maybe not, but I don't think any of his employees could be hired for his job, either. Sure, but that has very little to do with actual ability to do the job, and much more to do with already being a member of the executive class.
- tssva 4y ago
  I don't know the details of his 10-day French Polynesia vacation, but I just did some pricing and I imagine a lot of Salesforce employees could afford a fairly luxurious 10-day French Polynesian vacation. Both the Salesforce employees I know could. Of course, I think he sees the people he laid off as people. What I don't understand is why you seemingly don't think of the CEO as a person.
- kcplate 4y ago
  > Do you think any of his employees could have even afforded that vacation? What an odd comment. Pretty sure that we don’t need any form of societal regulation around making vacation luxuries equitable.

thesuitonym 4y ago

Do you think any of his employees could have even afforded that vacation? Do you think he sees the people he laid off as people? Why should we give him that courtesy?

shpx 4y ago
A 10 day trip to Tahiti from San Francisco in March costs $600-$700 for the flights https://www.google.com/flights https://www.google.com/flights hotels cost anywhere between $100-$500/night https://www.booking.com/searchresults.html?&ss=Tahiti%2C%20French%20Polynesia https://www.booking.com/searchresults.html?&ss=Tahiti%2C%20F... finally, I'm guessing $100/day on meals should be enough. So you are asking if sales people making $114K-$212K, or $3,174-$5,608 per month after California income tax https://www.levels.fyi/companies/salesforce/salaries/sales https://www.levels.fyi/companies/salesforce/salaries/sales https://smartasset.com/taxes/california-paycheck-calculator https://smartasset.com/taxes/california-paycheck-calculator can afford a $3,000-$5,000 vacation. On the internet someone said they got 5 months of severance pay, if it's true and it's a lump sum payment then it seems like all of them have the money for it, unless they were spending more than they were making or need more than 4 months to find a job that pays the same.
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Matticus_Rex 4y ago
Maybe, maybe not, but I don't think any of his employees could be hired for his job, either. I would assume that he does see the people he laid off as people, yes. I know a lot of executives and wealthy investors, and I have yet to see the sociopathy people attribute to them (though I do know of a few credible stories of particular exceptions, particularly in older industries). And Benioff in particular has a fairly good reputation among people who have worked with him, from what I understand.
- danaris 4y ago
  > Maybe, maybe not, but I don't think any of his employees could be hired for his job, either. Sure, but that has very little to do with actual ability to do the job, and much more to do with already being a member of the executive class.
tssva 4y ago
I don't know the details of his 10-day French Polynesia vacation, but I just did some pricing and I imagine a lot of Salesforce employees could afford a fairly luxurious 10-day French Polynesian vacation. Both the Salesforce employees I know could. Of course, I think he sees the people he laid off as people. What I don't understand is why you seemingly don't think of the CEO as a person.
kcplate 4y ago
> Do you think any of his employees could have even afforded that vacation? What an odd comment. Pretty sure that we don’t need any form of societal regulation around making vacation luxuries equitable.