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The exact same things could be said about companies themselves. "The structure of companies is such that it facilitates and encourages seniority as well as cor

The exact same things could be said about companies themselves. "The structure of companies is such that it facilitates and encourages seniority as well as corruption including ties to the mob. It's no accident that companies are targets of corruption by the feds [1] for various forms of malfeasance." You're basically saying that crime exists among groups of people where there is a power differential. I mean, sure? I still don't understand [2] why unions are so specifically a target of it as compared to, say, insider traders. You don't typically see people saying we should just not have an executive board because some have been caught insider trading -- that would be absurd! [1] https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime [2] I suspect though, that it has something to do with the typical judgements of "blue-collar" crime as being more heinous than "white-collar" crime.

mc32 4y ago
Union crime _is_ white collar crime (they may represent blue collar workers but the reps are starched white collar workers --and aside from intimidation and other forms of violence). But why are Unions such magnets for corruption? For corporations you have various forms of oversight like SEC, SOX, and many others. In unions there is more of an unspoken code not to whistleblow because they are "you" and you don't wanna be a rat and target of violence so corruption goes less checked.
- westpfelia 4y ago
  EXACTLY no one can name a single crime committed by a company. Its only the union orgs within them. Look at Enron. The only crime commited by Enron was in its ultra left wing accounting depts. Those poor C levels were nothing but heros!
  - mc32 4y ago
    Yeah, I don't know why the Saintly unions get tarred like that. Just because some engage in racketeering and have ties to organized crime, right? It's so weird!
    - 7sidedmarble 4y ago
      Even if someone were to believe you that unions are inherently prone to crime and corruption in a way unique to any other organization, here in the states they have a tiny fraction of the influence they had 100 years ago. You're talking about the unions ties to the mob like we're all living in 1930s Chicago or something.

mc32 4y ago

Union crime _is_ white collar crime (they may represent blue collar workers but the reps are starched white collar workers --and aside from intimidation and other forms of violence). But why are Unions such magnets for corruption? For corporations you have various forms of oversight like SEC, SOX, and many others. In unions there is more of an unspoken code not to whistleblow because they are "you" and you don't wanna be a rat and target of violence so corruption goes less checked.

westpfelia 4y ago
EXACTLY no one can name a single crime committed by a company. Its only the union orgs within them. Look at Enron. The only crime commited by Enron was in its ultra left wing accounting depts. Those poor C levels were nothing but heros!
- mc32 4y ago
  Yeah, I don't know why the Saintly unions get tarred like that. Just because some engage in racketeering and have ties to organized crime, right? It's so weird!
  - 7sidedmarble 4y ago
    Even if someone were to believe you that unions are inherently prone to crime and corruption in a way unique to any other organization, here in the states they have a tiny fraction of the influence they had 100 years ago. You're talking about the unions ties to the mob like we're all living in 1930s Chicago or something.