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You mean that? : https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/09/13/fact-check-ukraines-president-did-not-sell-farmland-us-companies/7942775001/ https://eu

You mean that? : https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/09/13/fact-check-ukraines-president-did-not-sell-farmland-us-companies/7942775001/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/09/13/fact... Looks like the type of comment you'd find on a boomer conspiracy theorists facebook group

cpursley 4y ago
“Cargill, which owns a majority stake in a deep-sea port near Odessa” https://www.world-grain.com/articles/16539-ports-grain-facilities-shut-down-in-ukraine https://www.world-grain.com/articles/16539-ports-grain-facil... https://www.kyivpost.com/post/7480 https://www.kyivpost.com/post/7480 https://www.oaklandinstitute.org/sites/oaklandinstitute.org/files/Brief_CorporateTakeoverofUkraine_0.pdf https://www.oaklandinstitute.org/sites/oaklandinstitute.org/... https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-agriculture-farmland-economy-/31336984.html https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-agriculture-farmland-economy...
- lm28469 4y ago
  You could have posted that directly instead of making very vague insinuations that no one can source by themselves unless they already know what you're talking about
  - cpursley 4y ago
    That’s why I suggested folks start looking into it. I was actually interested in investing into Ukrainian farm land over a decade ago but decided against it after a little due diligence (the land ownership and consolidation was too complex and too much corruption despite basement bargain land prices).
scythe 4y ago
Even the article you posted admits they're relying on a technicality: >in 2014 Cargill did buy a 5% share in UkrLandFarming, one of the largest landholders in Ukraine >Despite the moratorium on private land transfers, more than two million hectares — or about 7,700 square miles — of land have ended up being controlled by foreign companies through leases, Mousseau said. The largest investors are companies from Cyprus, the U.S. and the Netherlands.
TeMPOraL 4y ago
The intersection between non-absurd[0] conspiracy theories, culture wars and journalism never ceases to amaze me. The article you linked thoroughly debunks the claim that "Zelenskyy sold 17 million hectares of farmland to U.S. corporations". Fine, except I imagine it's not really what anyone repeating it was interested in. The "Zelensky", "sold", and "17 million" bits are minor details that don't change the thrust of the claim, which is that US interests control huge amounts of farmland in the Ukraine. This presumably happened just before the war and means that the US... something something, blah blah - I'm not interested in pursuing this further, as I doubt there's anything insightful to discover there. But my point is, the article focused on debunking the details and called the claim false, even though it actually proved the core of the claim true. "Zelensky sold 17 million hectares" may not be precisely equivalent to "western corporations took control of at least 3 million hectares", but it still barks up the same tree. But instead of exploring the more accurate version of the claim to see if it leads anywhere interesting, we just have one group sharing the spiced up pop version, the other debunking the irrelevant details of it, and both being smug about how superior they are to the idiots on the other side. Smh. -- [0] - I.e. ones not involving aliens, the Illuminati, reptilians, etc.

cpursley 4y ago

“Cargill, which owns a majority stake in a deep-sea port near Odessa” https://www.world-grain.com/articles/16539-ports-grain-facilities-shut-down-in-ukraine https://www.world-grain.com/articles/16539-ports-grain-facil... https://www.kyivpost.com/post/7480 https://www.kyivpost.com/post/7480 https://www.oaklandinstitute.org/sites/oaklandinstitute.org/files/Brief_CorporateTakeoverofUkraine_0.pdf https://www.oaklandinstitute.org/sites/oaklandinstitute.org/... https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-agriculture-farmland-economy-/31336984.html https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-agriculture-farmland-economy...

lm28469 4y ago
You could have posted that directly instead of making very vague insinuations that no one can source by themselves unless they already know what you're talking about
- cpursley 4y ago
  That’s why I suggested folks start looking into it. I was actually interested in investing into Ukrainian farm land over a decade ago but decided against it after a little due diligence (the land ownership and consolidation was too complex and too much corruption despite basement bargain land prices).

scythe 4y ago

Even the article you posted admits they're relying on a technicality: >in 2014 Cargill did buy a 5% share in UkrLandFarming, one of the largest landholders in Ukraine >Despite the moratorium on private land transfers, more than two million hectares — or about 7,700 square miles — of land have ended up being controlled by foreign companies through leases, Mousseau said. The largest investors are companies from Cyprus, the U.S. and the Netherlands.

TeMPOraL 4y ago

The intersection between non-absurd[0] conspiracy theories, culture wars and journalism never ceases to amaze me. The article you linked thoroughly debunks the claim that "Zelenskyy sold 17 million hectares of farmland to U.S. corporations". Fine, except I imagine it's not really what anyone repeating it was interested in. The "Zelensky", "sold", and "17 million" bits are minor details that don't change the thrust of the claim, which is that US interests control huge amounts of farmland in the Ukraine. This presumably happened just before the war and means that the US... something something, blah blah - I'm not interested in pursuing this further, as I doubt there's anything insightful to discover there. But my point is, the article focused on debunking the details and called the claim false, even though it actually proved the core of the claim true. "Zelensky sold 17 million hectares" may not be precisely equivalent to "western corporations took control of at least 3 million hectares", but it still barks up the same tree. But instead of exploring the more accurate version of the claim to see if it leads anywhere interesting, we just have one group sharing the spiced up pop version, the other debunking the irrelevant details of it, and both being smug about how superior they are to the idiots on the other side. Smh. -- [0] - I.e. ones not involving aliens, the Illuminati, reptilians, etc.