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It’s worth noting that many companies such as Apple are diversifying from China due to the overreach of the political powers, but they’re moving over to India w

It’s worth noting that many companies such as Apple are diversifying from China due to the overreach of the political powers, but they’re moving over to India where the same thing is happening. Strange.

mytailorisrich 4y ago
They are not diversifying from China because of China. They are because of deteriorating relations with the West that may put them at risk in case of, for instance, sanctions against China.
- noduerme 4y ago
  The West will have some deteriorating relations with India as well if India decides to start ethnic cleansing or stripping citizenship from 100 million Muslims. Consider how much business we do with Burma (approximately $0), even though the labor is quite cheap there. The BBC documentary is a warning shot. To be clear, this is not about the West taking sides in religious or ethnic issues; there are limits on what kinds of violence people are willing to accept in the supply chain. China is incredibly hard to divorce from, but we're doing it.
  - rhaway84773 4y ago
    The BBC documentary itself is rather benign and brings nothing new to the table other than elevating a UK viewpoint over what many locals have done in the 2 decades in between. If anything, it only displays the BBC’s colonial biases. The response to this run of the mill documentary which likely no one would have watched and/or heard about has been chilling. The Modi government has absolutely embarrassed itself and has basically gone out of its way to prove that whatever the documentary says is correct, whether it is or isn’t. And the doubling down will hurt not just the governments but also the country’s image.
  - eunos 4y ago
    Nope. Even Modi himself was a target of sanction (prevented to visit US). After he became PM, all of sudden western world became his buddy again.
    - vertis 4y ago
      Between India and China you're looking at roughly a 1/4 of the world population. This makes it hard to use sanctions in ways that work better against smaller, less critical countries (like Iran, Myanmar). Even Russia, which doesn't hold quite the same level has been painful for Europe to sanction. It's also problematic having to fight battles on all fronts at once (and at home for the US, which isn't exactly at the height of democracy itself)[0]. It's also worth being aware that much of the world sees the other side of the US, meddling and not really doing so in the best interests of the local population (not to mention UK colonial history). We're in this funny place where the US often dictates globally but the protections that are in place with it's own laws only extend as far as citizens. Which is where you end up with all the 5-eyes spying on each other and sharing intel, thereby avoiding the protections put in place to prevent the domestic use of those capabilities[1]. [0]: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/02/01/the-worlds-most-and-least-democratic-countries-in-2022?fsrc=core-app-economist https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/02/01/the-worl... [1]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/20/us-uk-secret-deal-surveillance-personal-data https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/20/us-uk-secret-d...
      - eunos 4y ago
        The third paragraph is most crucial. Having said that, as an Asian I'm super puzzled with Western countries tendency to moralizing and lecturing other countries internal matter.
        vertis 4y ago
        We can't let past failure stop the criticisms of genocide and slips into authoritarian behaviour. We all (globally) have to try to hold each other to account.
  - mytailorisrich 4y ago
    > there are limits on what kinds of violence people are willing to accept in the supply chain. China is incredibly hard to divorce from, but we're doing it. What may or may not happening in China has nothing to do with it. The issue is geopolitical and the seemingly collision course between an increasingly powerful China and the West, especially the USA. Edit: Likewise, with China the #1 threat the West will want to keep India on side. An example is Russia: India has been keeping its trade with Russia, and even increased it since the war in Ukraine started. The West has been very quiet on that.
rhaway84773 4y ago
The two are hardly comparable. The current Chinese party has been in power for many decades. The Modi BJP government hasn’t even been in power for 10 years, and frankly, if it wasn’t for a highly inept opposition intent on shooting itself in the foot, would likely have been out of power by the next election.
mihaaly 4y ago
Not the same, but it is definitelly on the rise. Ironic - or scary - that this is happening in the (proudly) largest "democracy" in the world.
tootie 4y ago
This is not remotely comparable to China. Independent media simply doesn't exist to be harassed in China.
dsfyu404ed 4y ago
When every country is ruled by capricious dickbags you might as well spread your eggs across many baskets so that the actions of any one set of dickbags are better hedged against.
drumhead 4y ago
Yes, out of the frying pan and into the fire. They really should be bringing manufacturing and services back home or to closer countries.
rldjbpin 4y ago
foxconn had seen labour protests in both Indian and Chinese locations, in the former before the latter in recent memory. don't forget the american stance on india-pakistan conflicts during the cold war either. the west can do as they please with sanctions against india. they cannot be so liberal with china, however. the eu, for example, puts a lot of restrictions on indian drugs and produce in the name of "regulations" and gets away with it. at the end of the day, the people of india can have a "surprised pikachu" revelation about their current leader and choose to change him with someone else comes the election time. you cannot say the same about the other place. the west can influence on the same as well, if they so wish.

mytailorisrich 4y ago

They are not diversifying from China because of China. They are because of deteriorating relations with the West that may put them at risk in case of, for instance, sanctions against China.

noduerme 4y ago
The West will have some deteriorating relations with India as well if India decides to start ethnic cleansing or stripping citizenship from 100 million Muslims. Consider how much business we do with Burma (approximately $0), even though the labor is quite cheap there. The BBC documentary is a warning shot. To be clear, this is not about the West taking sides in religious or ethnic issues; there are limits on what kinds of violence people are willing to accept in the supply chain. China is incredibly hard to divorce from, but we're doing it.
- rhaway84773 4y ago
  The BBC documentary itself is rather benign and brings nothing new to the table other than elevating a UK viewpoint over what many locals have done in the 2 decades in between. If anything, it only displays the BBC’s colonial biases. The response to this run of the mill documentary which likely no one would have watched and/or heard about has been chilling. The Modi government has absolutely embarrassed itself and has basically gone out of its way to prove that whatever the documentary says is correct, whether it is or isn’t. And the doubling down will hurt not just the governments but also the country’s image.
- eunos 4y ago
  Nope. Even Modi himself was a target of sanction (prevented to visit US). After he became PM, all of sudden western world became his buddy again.
  - vertis 4y ago
    Between India and China you're looking at roughly a 1/4 of the world population. This makes it hard to use sanctions in ways that work better against smaller, less critical countries (like Iran, Myanmar). Even Russia, which doesn't hold quite the same level has been painful for Europe to sanction. It's also problematic having to fight battles on all fronts at once (and at home for the US, which isn't exactly at the height of democracy itself)[0]. It's also worth being aware that much of the world sees the other side of the US, meddling and not really doing so in the best interests of the local population (not to mention UK colonial history). We're in this funny place where the US often dictates globally but the protections that are in place with it's own laws only extend as far as citizens. Which is where you end up with all the 5-eyes spying on each other and sharing intel, thereby avoiding the protections put in place to prevent the domestic use of those capabilities[1]. [0]: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/02/01/the-worlds-most-and-least-democratic-countries-in-2022?fsrc=core-app-economist https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/02/01/the-worl... [1]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/20/us-uk-secret-deal-surveillance-personal-data https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/20/us-uk-secret-d...
    - eunos 4y ago
      The third paragraph is most crucial. Having said that, as an Asian I'm super puzzled with Western countries tendency to moralizing and lecturing other countries internal matter.
      - vertis 4y ago
        We can't let past failure stop the criticisms of genocide and slips into authoritarian behaviour. We all (globally) have to try to hold each other to account.
- mytailorisrich 4y ago
  > there are limits on what kinds of violence people are willing to accept in the supply chain. China is incredibly hard to divorce from, but we're doing it. What may or may not happening in China has nothing to do with it. The issue is geopolitical and the seemingly collision course between an increasingly powerful China and the West, especially the USA. Edit: Likewise, with China the #1 threat the West will want to keep India on side. An example is Russia: India has been keeping its trade with Russia, and even increased it since the war in Ukraine started. The West has been very quiet on that.

rhaway84773 4y ago

The two are hardly comparable. The current Chinese party has been in power for many decades. The Modi BJP government hasn’t even been in power for 10 years, and frankly, if it wasn’t for a highly inept opposition intent on shooting itself in the foot, would likely have been out of power by the next election.

mihaaly 4y ago

Not the same, but it is definitelly on the rise. Ironic - or scary - that this is happening in the (proudly) largest "democracy" in the world.

tootie 4y ago

This is not remotely comparable to China. Independent media simply doesn't exist to be harassed in China.

dsfyu404ed 4y ago

When every country is ruled by capricious dickbags you might as well spread your eggs across many baskets so that the actions of any one set of dickbags are better hedged against.

drumhead 4y ago

Yes, out of the frying pan and into the fire. They really should be bringing manufacturing and services back home or to closer countries.

rldjbpin 4y ago

foxconn had seen labour protests in both Indian and Chinese locations, in the former before the latter in recent memory. don't forget the american stance on india-pakistan conflicts during the cold war either. the west can do as they please with sanctions against india. they cannot be so liberal with china, however. the eu, for example, puts a lot of restrictions on indian drugs and produce in the name of "regulations" and gets away with it. at the end of the day, the people of india can have a "surprised pikachu" revelation about their current leader and choose to change him with someone else comes the election time. you cannot say the same about the other place. the west can influence on the same as well, if they so wish.