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I don't know, I don't think Nike will sponsor athletes who, despite the war, returned to Russia solely due to better financial prospects.

azangru 4y ago
Nike (or a more appropriate entity) wouldn't be able to sponsor him even if it wanted to, given how the ties with the Russian banks have now been severed. Another case for bitcoin, I guess?
newswasboring 4y ago
While your argument is kinda bad, its also incorrect. They moved to russia before the current war. Also its their home country, the world isn't progressive enough that this isn't every immigrant's default choice.
- slowmotiony 4y ago
  Right, but it was after the invasion of Georgia, green men in Donetsk, and the annexation of Crimea? So 3 wars started in the span of 10 years and the guy returns because things are cheaper than in the west. Well, I hope he enjoys his beloved home country now. He will have to stay there for quite a while. Edit* looks like he does indeed enjoy it. Good for him. https://twitter.com/roman01la/status/1625254253156528147/photo/1 https://twitter.com/roman01la/status/1625254253156528147/pho...
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  - newswasboring 4y ago
    Russia does so many bad things that by that argument all Russians should just move out. I dont know what point you are trying to make with the tweet, I have no context there.
    - pxc 4y ago
      The United States would have emptied itself out a long time ago if we followed the same rule, but somehow I don't think that's an outcome this guy feels is necessary, either.
  - 101008 4y ago
    Where do you live? I am sure we will find a moral reason to suggest that if you do not leave your country you are a bad person.
    - slowmotiony 4y ago
      Ukraine. I can't leave, another country invaded mine unprovoked and they are killing my people so I kinda have to stay. I am looking forward to your argument why this makes me a bad person.
      - KyeRussell 4y ago
        The point is that it DOESN’T make you a bad person. You’ve just argued the other side. A country is not its government, especially in oppressive undemocratic regimes like Russia. This is basic shit. I am utterly truly sorry for the unimaginable horrors which you are going through. I genuinely couldn’t begin to understand how this must be for you. I hope I never do. This doesn’t give you a blank cheque to jump online and foster divisiveness between two groups of people just because one of them has a fucked up government that can’t possibly be argued to be representing them.
  - azangru 4y ago
    > looks like he does indeed enjoy it What in that twitter thread makes you think he enjoys it? The fact that he does not share a certain political opinion? Is a political belief, or lack of it, enough to enjoy life in a country?
bovermyer 4y ago
Your lack of empathy in favor of blind group hatred is a pretty solid example of one of humanity's worst traits. However, I'm not going to return the favor by ignoring your personal context. Is the reason you're denouncing core-js's maintainer because you, yourself, have been subject to particularly awful circumstances owing to Russia's war? Are you projecting on him because you've been hurt? What's your situation?
- slowmotiony 4y ago
  I'm just shocked at the reaction from the HN crowd in this post. The guy lives in the west but returns to Russia, then blames Ukraine for being invaded, actually kills a teen girl and writes shit about her in the very same post added to HN, and blames everyone around him for his situation. Yet HN loves him because he wrote a cool Javascript library. Blows my mind.
  - bovermyer 4y ago
    I didn't see any part of the post where he blamed Ukraine for being invaded. There was a passage where he stated he can't publicly support either side because he has friends (family?) on both sides, but that's all I read. The manslaughter came as a shock, yes, and I think there's more to that story than he's telling us. He probably isn't a great human being. None of that, however, is relevant to the fact that maintaining core-js in particular and FOSS in general is a thankless and awful job. It's possible to support FOSS, and support remuneration for FOSS, without supporting specific individuals.
    - mckravchyk 4y ago
      What's your reasoning for saying he's probably not a great human being? Assuming what he says is true. If he had no way of seeing that coming, how is that different from blaming / judging a train driver in any way for someone's suicide or going as far to as to say they killed them.
      - bovermyer 4y ago
pxc 4y ago
He's Russian. He returned home, where he was born, where he has friends, multiple generations of family, decades of memories, and could hope to find some support when shrinking his life to fit in a smaller income. Moreover, he has stated that he'll leave if he can, if that's what is required to work on open-source. Jesus Christ.

azangru 4y ago

Nike (or a more appropriate entity) wouldn't be able to sponsor him even if it wanted to, given how the ties with the Russian banks have now been severed. Another case for bitcoin, I guess?

newswasboring 4y ago

While your argument is kinda bad, its also incorrect. They moved to russia before the current war. Also its their home country, the world isn't progressive enough that this isn't every immigrant's default choice.

slowmotiony 4y ago
Right, but it was after the invasion of Georgia, green men in Donetsk, and the annexation of Crimea? So 3 wars started in the span of 10 years and the guy returns because things are cheaper than in the west. Well, I hope he enjoys his beloved home country now. He will have to stay there for quite a while. Edit* looks like he does indeed enjoy it. Good for him. https://twitter.com/roman01la/status/1625254253156528147/photo/1 https://twitter.com/roman01la/status/1625254253156528147/pho...
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- newswasboring 4y ago
  Russia does so many bad things that by that argument all Russians should just move out. I dont know what point you are trying to make with the tweet, I have no context there.
  - pxc 4y ago
    The United States would have emptied itself out a long time ago if we followed the same rule, but somehow I don't think that's an outcome this guy feels is necessary, either.
- 101008 4y ago
  Where do you live? I am sure we will find a moral reason to suggest that if you do not leave your country you are a bad person.
  - slowmotiony 4y ago
    Ukraine. I can't leave, another country invaded mine unprovoked and they are killing my people so I kinda have to stay. I am looking forward to your argument why this makes me a bad person.
    - KyeRussell 4y ago
      The point is that it DOESN’T make you a bad person. You’ve just argued the other side. A country is not its government, especially in oppressive undemocratic regimes like Russia. This is basic shit. I am utterly truly sorry for the unimaginable horrors which you are going through. I genuinely couldn’t begin to understand how this must be for you. I hope I never do. This doesn’t give you a blank cheque to jump online and foster divisiveness between two groups of people just because one of them has a fucked up government that can’t possibly be argued to be representing them.
- azangru 4y ago
  > looks like he does indeed enjoy it What in that twitter thread makes you think he enjoys it? The fact that he does not share a certain political opinion? Is a political belief, or lack of it, enough to enjoy life in a country?

bovermyer 4y ago

Your lack of empathy in favor of blind group hatred is a pretty solid example of one of humanity's worst traits. However, I'm not going to return the favor by ignoring your personal context. Is the reason you're denouncing core-js's maintainer because you, yourself, have been subject to particularly awful circumstances owing to Russia's war? Are you projecting on him because you've been hurt? What's your situation?

slowmotiony 4y ago
I'm just shocked at the reaction from the HN crowd in this post. The guy lives in the west but returns to Russia, then blames Ukraine for being invaded, actually kills a teen girl and writes shit about her in the very same post added to HN, and blames everyone around him for his situation. Yet HN loves him because he wrote a cool Javascript library. Blows my mind.
- bovermyer 4y ago
  I didn't see any part of the post where he blamed Ukraine for being invaded. There was a passage where he stated he can't publicly support either side because he has friends (family?) on both sides, but that's all I read. The manslaughter came as a shock, yes, and I think there's more to that story than he's telling us. He probably isn't a great human being. None of that, however, is relevant to the fact that maintaining core-js in particular and FOSS in general is a thankless and awful job. It's possible to support FOSS, and support remuneration for FOSS, without supporting specific individuals.
  - mckravchyk 4y ago
    What's your reasoning for saying he's probably not a great human being? Assuming what he says is true. If he had no way of seeing that coming, how is that different from blaming / judging a train driver in any way for someone's suicide or going as far to as to say they killed them.
    - bovermyer 4y ago

pxc 4y ago

He's Russian. He returned home, where he was born, where he has friends, multiple generations of family, decades of memories, and could hope to find some support when shrinking his life to fit in a smaller income. Moreover, he has stated that he'll leave if he can, if that's what is required to work on open-source. Jesus Christ.