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Hah but then the right wing of the party took over because of the lefts poor electoral performance...

varjag 4y ago
I'm not sure the guy who've been stanning for each and every dictator out there was meaningfully to the left of anyone in the party.
MrJohz 4y ago
Read the Forde Report and then come back here with this "left" and "right" nonsense. The problem was everywhere, and no-one should be feeling vindicated right now at all. Five more years of Johnson, Truss, Sunak, and whatever godforsaken attempt at leadership might follow him, and all because the Blairites and the Corbynites were so wrapped up in being Blairites and Corbynites that they completely forgot to do anything useful and actually present a functioning alternative.
- mandmandam 4y ago
  Seems a bit odd to accuse Corbyn supporters of not doing anything useful when they were being undermined from all angles. Smeared as anti-semites, hit pieces on state media, constant bashing in tabloids; sneakily undermined by a faction of their own party, as here, and even undermined by state security services (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/06/22/jeremy-corbyn-claims-mi5-mi6-deliberately-undermined-leadership/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/06/22/jeremy-corby...). This wasn't because Corbyn's side didn't have policy positions or wasn't getting things done - it's because wealthy vested interests were fucking terrified of what he would do. Blair is a full-on war criminal btw, so presenting the two as somehow equivalent is staggeringly dishonest.
  - MrJohz 4y ago
    Have you read the Forde Report? Because that's kind of the issue at stake here. Yes Corbyn was smeared by the press and people on the right wing, that shouldn't be surprising anyone. But a healthy Labour party would be able to draw together, come up with a coherent media strategy, and make an argument to the British people. Instead, we ended up with a party obsessed with purity that got embroiled in month after month of petty infighting. Absolutely nobody from that era should be holding their heads high right now.
    - mandmandam 4y ago
      The one commissioned by Keir Starmer? Lol. No, I haven't. At a glance though, it seems to be making the same "mistake" that you are: > Forde’s seeming even-handedness is, in fact, a continuation of factionalism by other means. The report’s implausible premise is that Corbyn and a handful of staff in the leader’s office wielded as much factional power as the combined might of Labour HQ, the parliamentary party and the entire media establishment. Each side was apparently equally obstructive and uncooperative; each fed the other’s political paranoia. > That misrepresents the true balance of power in Labour – and the reason why Corbyn spent his years as leader permanently on the defensive, battling internal revolts and media firestorms. ... > The same lacuna can be found in the Forde report’s analysis of Labour’s “antisemitism problem”. Starmer has stepped up the crackdown on left-wing members on the basis of a supposedly continuing concern about the prevalence of antisemitism in Labour’s ranks – a claim at the heart of the Labour right’s efforts to discredit the left under Corbyn. - https://www.jonathan-cook.net/2022-07-21/forde-inquiry-labour-starmer/ https://www.jonathan-cook.net/2022-07-21/forde-inquiry-labou... Here's a helpful tip - anyone calling Corbyn an anti-semite is either a massive piece of shit, or incredibly ignorant.

I'm not sure the guy who've been stanning for each and every dictator out there was meaningfully to the left of anyone in the party.

MrJohz 4y ago

Read the Forde Report and then come back here with this "left" and "right" nonsense. The problem was everywhere, and no-one should be feeling vindicated right now at all. Five more years of Johnson, Truss, Sunak, and whatever godforsaken attempt at leadership might follow him, and all because the Blairites and the Corbynites were so wrapped up in being Blairites and Corbynites that they completely forgot to do anything useful and actually present a functioning alternative.

mandmandam 4y ago
Seems a bit odd to accuse Corbyn supporters of not doing anything useful when they were being undermined from all angles. Smeared as anti-semites, hit pieces on state media, constant bashing in tabloids; sneakily undermined by a faction of their own party, as here, and even undermined by state security services (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/06/22/jeremy-corbyn-claims-mi5-mi6-deliberately-undermined-leadership/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/06/22/jeremy-corby...). This wasn't because Corbyn's side didn't have policy positions or wasn't getting things done - it's because wealthy vested interests were fucking terrified of what he would do. Blair is a full-on war criminal btw, so presenting the two as somehow equivalent is staggeringly dishonest.
- MrJohz 4y ago
  Have you read the Forde Report? Because that's kind of the issue at stake here. Yes Corbyn was smeared by the press and people on the right wing, that shouldn't be surprising anyone. But a healthy Labour party would be able to draw together, come up with a coherent media strategy, and make an argument to the British people. Instead, we ended up with a party obsessed with purity that got embroiled in month after month of petty infighting. Absolutely nobody from that era should be holding their heads high right now.
  - mandmandam 4y ago
    The one commissioned by Keir Starmer? Lol. No, I haven't. At a glance though, it seems to be making the same "mistake" that you are: > Forde’s seeming even-handedness is, in fact, a continuation of factionalism by other means. The report’s implausible premise is that Corbyn and a handful of staff in the leader’s office wielded as much factional power as the combined might of Labour HQ, the parliamentary party and the entire media establishment. Each side was apparently equally obstructive and uncooperative; each fed the other’s political paranoia. > That misrepresents the true balance of power in Labour – and the reason why Corbyn spent his years as leader permanently on the defensive, battling internal revolts and media firestorms. ... > The same lacuna can be found in the Forde report’s analysis of Labour’s “antisemitism problem”. Starmer has stepped up the crackdown on left-wing members on the basis of a supposedly continuing concern about the prevalence of antisemitism in Labour’s ranks – a claim at the heart of the Labour right’s efforts to discredit the left under Corbyn. - https://www.jonathan-cook.net/2022-07-21/forde-inquiry-labour-starmer/ https://www.jonathan-cook.net/2022-07-21/forde-inquiry-labou... Here's a helpful tip - anyone calling Corbyn an anti-semite is either a massive piece of shit, or incredibly ignorant.