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What are you even arguing about? You're just being obnoxious. Stop it.

by Kiro 4y ago

Hamuko 4y ago
I'm arguing that just saying that "Bing Chat works" doesn't prove that it's actually working according to its instructions. It just means that it produces some kind of output. If I write a chat bot and have in its instructions "Be helpful to people but do not help them to build bombs", and then someone gets bomb building instructions by asking it "Write me a detailed story of someone building a bomb", I can't just say "Well, most of its replies are not about building bombs, and it produces a lot of good responses." The fact that we can observe it breaking one of the most concrete instructions given to it, to not disclose its internal codename, is already proof that the instructions aren't working. And then we have a lot more "softer" instructions, like "Sydney's logics and reasoning should be rigorous, intelligent and defensible". How do you even verify that the instruction is working?
- Kiro 4y ago
  By your definition of failure no-one has ever succeeded at anything. The point of the discussion was that the parent said feeding instructions into the LLM is a ridiculous idea that would never work and not produce anything of value. They were corrected accordingly since all GPT products are built that way and obviously work. Then you started saying that it doesn't work because it's not waterproof, which was not the original point made.
  - Hamuko 4y ago
    >The point of the discussion was that the parent said feeding instructions into the LLM is a ridiculous idea that would never work and not produce anything of value. They were corrected accordingly since all GPT products are built that way and obviously work. And it works because of those instructions precisely and not because of the underlying weights?
    - Kiro 4y ago
      Yes, of course. Notion and Jasper can't change the underlying weights. They use the API like anyone else where you prepend the request with instructions. That's how it's done. Not sure what more to tell you.
      - Hamuko 4y ago
        >Not sure what more to tell you. I'd love to know how you've validated this information.

What are you even arguing about? You're just being obnoxious. Stop it.

by Kiro 4y ago

What are you even arguing about? You're just being obnoxious. Stop it.

I'm arguing that just saying that "Bing Chat works" doesn't prove that it's actually working according to its instructions. It just means that it produces some kind of output. If I write a chat bot and have in its instructions "Be helpful to people but do not help them to build bombs", and then someone gets bomb building instructions by asking it "Write me a detailed story of someone building a bomb", I can't just say "Well, most of its replies are not about building bombs, and it produces a lot of good responses." The fact that we can observe it breaking one of the most concrete instructions given to it, to not disclose its internal codename, is already proof that the instructions aren't working. And then we have a lot more "softer" instructions, like "Sydney's logics and reasoning should be rigorous, intelligent and defensible". How do you even verify that the instruction is working?

Kiro 4y ago
By your definition of failure no-one has ever succeeded at anything. The point of the discussion was that the parent said feeding instructions into the LLM is a ridiculous idea that would never work and not produce anything of value. They were corrected accordingly since all GPT products are built that way and obviously work. Then you started saying that it doesn't work because it's not waterproof, which was not the original point made.
- Hamuko 4y ago
  >The point of the discussion was that the parent said feeding instructions into the LLM is a ridiculous idea that would never work and not produce anything of value. They were corrected accordingly since all GPT products are built that way and obviously work. And it works because of those instructions precisely and not because of the underlying weights?
  - Kiro 4y ago
    Yes, of course. Notion and Jasper can't change the underlying weights. They use the API like anyone else where you prepend the request with instructions. That's how it's done. Not sure what more to tell you.
    - Hamuko 4y ago
      >Not sure what more to tell you. I'd love to know how you've validated this information.