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Given that heat pumps and other technologies have proven themselves quite well at this point it is not a bad idea for SF to lead the country on this one and sho
by newyankee 4y ago
Given that heat pumps and other technologies have proven themselves quite well at this point it is not a bad idea for SF to lead the country on this one and shows that one can electrify most stuff (if not all stuff)
- akg_67 4y agoYep, until the next earthquake or forest fire or another natural disaster happens and your power goes out. Then you are out of luck to cook, and/or warm yourself. Relying on one type of energy source is a single point of failure.
- jlkjawl 4y ago[dead]
- danans 4y agoGood luck getting natural gas service after an earthquake severe enough to knock out power. Natural gas lines are far more at risk of breaking during such an event, and the gas utility will usually shut off gas supply until they are sure there aren't major leaks. After an earthquake, you are supposed to shut off your own supply at your meter with a gas wrench.
- ramenmeal 4y agoWe had gas service after the 6.4 in northern california in December, but power was out.
- danans 4y agoThey don't call these things "Earthquake Survival Tool" for no reason: https://www.amazon.com/Ready-America-3333-Earthquake-Emergency/dp/B000BQKLWK https://www.amazon.com/Ready-America-3333-Earthquake-Emergen...
- akg_67 4y agoI live in an earthquake prone place and gas canisters, that is what we have with a single burner portable stove for emergency. We had a 6.7 earthquake 4 years ago, power and water went out for 3 days. Our emergency kit that included bottled water and portable stove with gas canister what helped us. I can't imagine right now experiencing such an event when temperatures are -13C.
- adrianN 4y agoDoes California want to ban camping stoves?
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- dang 4y agoPosting like that will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
- notinfuriated 4y agoAnd you didn't bother posting a comment like this in response to the guy bringing up Fox News. My comment was exactly correct. Here I am getting threatened with a ban after posting a second, angrier comment in response to the first getting flagged almost immediately. You've set up a community here that feels free to post lawyerly, I'm-not-hitting-you level bullshit comments where people attempt to troll the discussion and get nothing remotely close to a penalty. That dude probably even got actual upvotes, so he can continue to be a little dickhead with his occasional "durrr fox news" comments and use his downvote privileges on this site.
- notinfuriated 4y agoAlso reminds me of this thread where I get another ban threat: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34016817 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34016817 Meanwhile you basically allow someone to call me gay and let that slide without any threat of a ban: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34014963 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34014963 This site should probably burn. Fuck your moderation, go ahead and ban me, I'm changing my password to something I'll never remember anyway.
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- jjtheblunt 4y agoI can’t think of a way to electrify launching a payload into orbit, but who knows what the future might think up.
- triceratops 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator
- adrianN 4y agoYou make fuel from atmospheric carbon dioxide, water, and electricity. Like you would on Mars.
- bluSCALE4 4y agoI hate my heat pump. Load as hell, makes the basement freezing in the winter, 50 gallon is really 45 gallon, time to reheat sucks, doesn't pair well with recirculating pumps, electric usage is more expensive than gas. Basically, get a size up compared to whatever you used for gas and you'll be good.
- conk 4y agoThis is the opposite of my existence. I love my rheem heat pump water heater. Costs me less than old gas water heater. I heat to 140 and use a mixing valve to have safe temp at 120. I’ve never run out of hot water.
- YeBanKo 4y agoI think experience varies greatly by region. I wonder what regions you and op are.
- YeBanKo 4y agoInstalling anything new in the bay is cost prohibitive. Qualified labour shortage as well, an example is when contractors that installed solar panels damaged roof pretty badly, like making see through holes and sloppy job around mounting brackets, just painful to watch. Also, last 2 years we had rolling outages, so I am actually not sure if the grid will fare well with the increased load. Insulation can greatly increase heating efficiency, and should be the first step when installing a heat pump anyway. Years ago when I signed up for pge i chose community aggregates renewable energy source instead of buying from pge. Couple years ago it was more expensive to buy renewable + delivery charges then just buying from pge, even though pge had at least half of it coming from gas and coal. Yet renewable should be much cheaper. So i suspect right now cost of heat pump heating isn’t gonna be cheaper than gas, given upfront cost. Utilities can’t achieve renewable efficiency and maintain grid, yet its ok to push it on everyone else. Heat pump however makes total sense if you have solar panel and battery. But again, upfront cost.
- readthenotes1 4y agoas long as the insanity doesn't come to my city, I fully agree with you. What was that "n-gate" phrase "a city at war with it's citizens"?
- dzhiurgis 4y agowhat happened to n-gate by the way??
- readthenotes1 4y agoI wish i knew. I miss their take on the forum.