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He has made multiple posts like this and it always reeks of entitlement and disdain for his user base. Charge money if you want money. Don't give something for

He has made multiple posts like this and it always reeks of entitlement and disdain for his user base. Charge money if you want money. Don't give something for free and then complain. The real reason he doesn't charge is nobody would pay or someone would immediately fork the project and do it for free. The point of large open source projects like this is to parlay it into career opportunities, not expect every installer to give you a dollar.

goodoldneon 4y ago
> ... someone would immediately fork the project and do it for free He said he's tried to find others to maintain the project and no one will help. Dunno why it'd be any different if there was a fork. > ... not expect every installer to give you a dollar. He isn't asking for every installer to pay. He's asking for enough financial support to work on core-js full-time, which seems reasonable given how depended-on the library is.
zymhan 4y ago
> The point of large open source projects like this is to parlay it into career opportunities Yeah, you are in the minority with that belief.
- briantakita 4y ago
  >> The point of large open source projects like this is to parlay it into career opportunities > Yeah, you are in the minority with that belief. The OP does have a platform, thanks to his work. If he did not diligently pour his creative talent into core-js & without it's widespread usage, he would probably not have the audience & we wouldn't be having a discussion about him or his situation. He does have a platform which he most likely could monetize. He does have a platform which he most likely could monetize. It's like a Youtuber who gains a large audience. Youtube does not pay much & many subjects are demonitized, yet many Youtubers are creative in monetization. Of course a big advantage of having one's face on the screen talking to a large audience is attention, making it easier to get the message out & to create a market. I do plenty of open source work & my partner was a prominent early Youtuber. It's not easy & takes a mostly different skillset than just creating code or content, but the opportunity is there. Some are quite talented at creating code/content & monetizing code/content. I'm not so talented at the monetization aspect, but I see the opportunity is there. I for one, use open source as a way to share code between my projects...making it easier, via IP licensing, to reuse code. I would personally love to see more people sharing on how they use their creative talents, hard work, & audiences to earn a living. I think there is a better way than relying on donations. For example, the creator/audience relationship on platforms like Patreon or Rumble seem like a way to earn money in a dignified manner.
  - briantakita 4y ago
    I want to follow up with a couple more thoughts as Open Source developers, particularly important ones, earning a decent living is important: The OP author deserves to earn a living for himself & his family. He has put in many hours of hard work & has proven to be selfless in doing so. The question is, if one dedicates one's life to Open Source development, how will one earn a living? My contention about relying on donations is that donations are not very reliable. They require frequent PR to bring attention & the will of the donators. I'm confident that this post will bring in a rush of donations, but for how long? I hope Mr. Pushkarev can find a sustainable way to earn the living that he deserves. I just don't think relying primarily on donations is going to get him (or any Open Source developer) there. He has a platform & attention & I hope people in a better position than myself can rally around that to offer him sustainable opportunities. Who know where he will take it from here. I'm optimistic that some great opportunities will emerge from this.
duxup 4y ago
35,725,818 weekly downloads. I think he has earned the right to complain.

goodoldneon 4y ago

> ... someone would immediately fork the project and do it for free He said he's tried to find others to maintain the project and no one will help. Dunno why it'd be any different if there was a fork. > ... not expect every installer to give you a dollar. He isn't asking for every installer to pay. He's asking for enough financial support to work on core-js full-time, which seems reasonable given how depended-on the library is.

zymhan 4y ago

> The point of large open source projects like this is to parlay it into career opportunities Yeah, you are in the minority with that belief.

briantakita 4y ago
>> The point of large open source projects like this is to parlay it into career opportunities > Yeah, you are in the minority with that belief. The OP does have a platform, thanks to his work. If he did not diligently pour his creative talent into core-js & without it's widespread usage, he would probably not have the audience & we wouldn't be having a discussion about him or his situation. He does have a platform which he most likely could monetize. He does have a platform which he most likely could monetize. It's like a Youtuber who gains a large audience. Youtube does not pay much & many subjects are demonitized, yet many Youtubers are creative in monetization. Of course a big advantage of having one's face on the screen talking to a large audience is attention, making it easier to get the message out & to create a market. I do plenty of open source work & my partner was a prominent early Youtuber. It's not easy & takes a mostly different skillset than just creating code or content, but the opportunity is there. Some are quite talented at creating code/content & monetizing code/content. I'm not so talented at the monetization aspect, but I see the opportunity is there. I for one, use open source as a way to share code between my projects...making it easier, via IP licensing, to reuse code. I would personally love to see more people sharing on how they use their creative talents, hard work, & audiences to earn a living. I think there is a better way than relying on donations. For example, the creator/audience relationship on platforms like Patreon or Rumble seem like a way to earn money in a dignified manner.
- briantakita 4y ago
  I want to follow up with a couple more thoughts as Open Source developers, particularly important ones, earning a decent living is important: The OP author deserves to earn a living for himself & his family. He has put in many hours of hard work & has proven to be selfless in doing so. The question is, if one dedicates one's life to Open Source development, how will one earn a living? My contention about relying on donations is that donations are not very reliable. They require frequent PR to bring attention & the will of the donators. I'm confident that this post will bring in a rush of donations, but for how long? I hope Mr. Pushkarev can find a sustainable way to earn the living that he deserves. I just don't think relying primarily on donations is going to get him (or any Open Source developer) there. He has a platform & attention & I hope people in a better position than myself can rally around that to offer him sustainable opportunities. Who know where he will take it from here. I'm optimistic that some great opportunities will emerge from this.

duxup 4y ago

35,725,818 weekly downloads. I think he has earned the right to complain.