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I recognize his challenges, but not sure if I can look past his victim blaming and "both sides bad" war rhetoric.

by BadRed 4y ago

linkdd 4y ago
In the real world, there are no "good guys vs bad guys", no "white/black", it's all shades of grey, recognizing this is not "victim blaming". But let's avoid flamewars irrelevant to the discussion.
mthoms 4y ago
He only said "I don't want to choose between two kinds of evil. I will not comment on this in more detail, since there are people close to me on both sides of the border who may suffer because of this." I don't think "two kinds of evil" is meant to imply that both sides are equally bad. Just that there are no good options for him. After all, when we say "the lesser of two evils" we don't (usually) mean evil in the literal sense. We mean that we are being forced to pick the least-bad of two bad options.
lxe 4y ago
What would you say if you were in Russia? Would you publicly pour out your complete thoughts, whatever they may be, in a popular blog post with your name signed underneath? With an unfunded OSS project, a family to support and criminal history? Don't forget, you can't just "say stuff" in most corners of the world.
- glorken 4y ago
  If you don't support the war and afraid to express your opinion, you can just remain silent and don't say that "both sides are equally bad". This kind is rhetoric is exactly what Russian war supporters use.
  - zamalek 4y ago
    His comments were in response to an issue opened in the repo, it's not like he went out of his way to bring the problem up. If you take concern with him speaking with his family's best interests in mind (especially the "indoctrination" he is concerned about for his child), then stop using core-js.
- oleks637 4y ago
  It looks like Denis is actually supporting russian government and their lies about this war - https://twitter.com/roman01la/status/1625254253156528147 https://twitter.com/roman01la/status/1625254253156528147 . He literally spreads russian propaganda points and blames Ukraine for being attacked.
  - phoenixy1 4y ago
    I understand that his perspective is not consonant with Western views and that he does place some blame on Ukraine, but he literally says "I'm against war. I'm against the current Russian government." which I hardly think is fair to represent as supporting the Russian government and the war!
    - neoromantique 4y ago
      Yeah, he is against war and government because it affects his personal income and wellbeing, not because of tens of thousands of civilians killed.
- slowmotiony 4y ago
  1. Return to Russia because things are cheaper so you will have more money, nevermind the whole war crimes and genocide thing 2. Russia puts you in prison, you dont get a fair trial and you don't have freedom of speech 3. No profit
hexator 4y ago
I'm shocked I have to scroll down so far to see someone complain about that. He absolutely is shifting 100% of the blame for him killing someone onto the person he killed.
- kypro 4y ago
  Honestly, I feel really sorry for the guy and I'm willing to take him at his word that it wasn't his fault, but I found the bit about him hitting the girls a little off. It almost seemed like he was more angry at them for being in the road than himself for hitting them. As some who has hit someone in my car before and was not to blame (legally at least) I'm more than aware these things happen, but I think if I killed someone, especially if it was someone as young as 18, I'd be tormented by guilt. Even if it were an accident.
  - gardenhedge 4y ago
    I'd be pissed if someone else caused an accident that caused me guilt, prison time, ruined my life. I'd be extremely pissed at them
- slikrick 4y ago
  seriously. calling them "victims" (as if they weren't killed by his car) was very unsettling. showed little to no remorse for his actions.
  - pancrufty 4y ago
    If you fire my gun, whose fault is it? If you jump in front of my car I bear zero responsibility. If anything, you should be paying for damage to me. How much time he actually had to react is up to anyone’s guess, but let's not dumb it down to "HIS car killed".
    - hexator 4y ago
      Assuming we take his story at face value, from a legal standpoint you are correct. However, if I accidentally ran somebody over and even if I was not at legal fault I would certainly feel guilty and it feels wrong to me how quickly he pushed it off. I also find it a bit weird he implied he was driving a car but in the news article it said he was driving a motorcycle.
dralley 4y ago
One way you can plausibly interpret the "other side" is to be about sanctions, not necessarily Ukraine.

I recognize his challenges, but not sure if I can look past his victim blaming and "both sides bad" war rhetoric.

by BadRed 4y ago

I recognize his challenges, but not sure if I can look past his victim blaming and "both sides bad" war rhetoric.

In the real world, there are no "good guys vs bad guys", no "white/black", it's all shades of grey, recognizing this is not "victim blaming". But let's avoid flamewars irrelevant to the discussion.

mthoms 4y ago

He only said "I don't want to choose between two kinds of evil. I will not comment on this in more detail, since there are people close to me on both sides of the border who may suffer because of this." I don't think "two kinds of evil" is meant to imply that both sides are equally bad. Just that there are no good options for him. After all, when we say "the lesser of two evils" we don't (usually) mean evil in the literal sense. We mean that we are being forced to pick the least-bad of two bad options.

lxe 4y ago

What would you say if you were in Russia? Would you publicly pour out your complete thoughts, whatever they may be, in a popular blog post with your name signed underneath? With an unfunded OSS project, a family to support and criminal history? Don't forget, you can't just "say stuff" in most corners of the world.

glorken 4y ago
If you don't support the war and afraid to express your opinion, you can just remain silent and don't say that "both sides are equally bad". This kind is rhetoric is exactly what Russian war supporters use.
- zamalek 4y ago
  His comments were in response to an issue opened in the repo, it's not like he went out of his way to bring the problem up. If you take concern with him speaking with his family's best interests in mind (especially the "indoctrination" he is concerned about for his child), then stop using core-js.
oleks637 4y ago
It looks like Denis is actually supporting russian government and their lies about this war - https://twitter.com/roman01la/status/1625254253156528147 https://twitter.com/roman01la/status/1625254253156528147 . He literally spreads russian propaganda points and blames Ukraine for being attacked.
- phoenixy1 4y ago
  I understand that his perspective is not consonant with Western views and that he does place some blame on Ukraine, but he literally says "I'm against war. I'm against the current Russian government." which I hardly think is fair to represent as supporting the Russian government and the war!
  - neoromantique 4y ago
    Yeah, he is against war and government because it affects his personal income and wellbeing, not because of tens of thousands of civilians killed.
slowmotiony 4y ago
1. Return to Russia because things are cheaper so you will have more money, nevermind the whole war crimes and genocide thing 2. Russia puts you in prison, you dont get a fair trial and you don't have freedom of speech 3. No profit

hexator 4y ago

I'm shocked I have to scroll down so far to see someone complain about that. He absolutely is shifting 100% of the blame for him killing someone onto the person he killed.

kypro 4y ago
Honestly, I feel really sorry for the guy and I'm willing to take him at his word that it wasn't his fault, but I found the bit about him hitting the girls a little off. It almost seemed like he was more angry at them for being in the road than himself for hitting them. As some who has hit someone in my car before and was not to blame (legally at least) I'm more than aware these things happen, but I think if I killed someone, especially if it was someone as young as 18, I'd be tormented by guilt. Even if it were an accident.
- gardenhedge 4y ago
  I'd be pissed if someone else caused an accident that caused me guilt, prison time, ruined my life. I'd be extremely pissed at them
slikrick 4y ago
seriously. calling them "victims" (as if they weren't killed by his car) was very unsettling. showed little to no remorse for his actions.
- pancrufty 4y ago
  If you fire my gun, whose fault is it? If you jump in front of my car I bear zero responsibility. If anything, you should be paying for damage to me. How much time he actually had to react is up to anyone’s guess, but let's not dumb it down to "HIS car killed".
  - hexator 4y ago
    Assuming we take his story at face value, from a legal standpoint you are correct. However, if I accidentally ran somebody over and even if I was not at legal fault I would certainly feel guilty and it feels wrong to me how quickly he pushed it off. I also find it a bit weird he implied he was driving a car but in the news article it said he was driving a motorcycle.

dralley 4y ago

One way you can plausibly interpret the "other side" is to be about sanctions, not necessarily Ukraine.