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Instead of that system, why just not say : "all phone sold/given to minors have a parental control enabled they cannot remove" ... This way kids can't get arou

Instead of that system, why just not say : "all phone sold/given to minors have a parental control enabled they cannot remove" ... This way kids can't get around with a VPN, they can't get around by stealing their parents ID, and the rest of the society doesn't have to install a government spyware, and we're not building a extremely sensible database of people profile Such a simple solution would be as, if not more, efficient while respecting everyone's privacy

neodymiumphish 4y ago
Because that's an even easier market to get around. Any 18 year old can be the middleman for a minor's device purchase at an insignificant markup.
- xhworhcuab 4y ago
  How is that not the case with the system in place here ? Any 18yo could "unlock" a minor's phone with their ID...
- babaqwerty 4y ago
  And with this law, any 18yo can "unlock" a minor's device with their ID, how is that more robust than a mandatory parental control ?
jacquesm 4y ago
The degree to which people underestimate children is always interesting to me, especially on a forum such as this one where your average teenager would probably run circles around such stuff and be more than happy to jailbreak their buddies phones as well.
- babaqwerty 4y ago
  Isn't it underestimating them even more to think they can't install a VPN in two clicks (which is the only thing needed to bypass this law). Also I don't know from where you assume that an "average teen" can easily crack a manufacturer-imposed lock. Who is the "average teen" that can take an IPhone and bypass FaceID or the Pin Lockscreen ? Which average teen can bypass a password protected secure-boot UEFI bootloader ? Which average teen finds an exploit to unlock a phone bootloader without the manufacturer key ? If the a law would force the manufacturer to take it seriously, they could make the parental control far harder to bypass than this ridiculous and privacy invasive law
  - boppo1 4y ago
    When I was 14 I used some parts from radioshack, "JTAG", and some of my mom's larger sewing needles to get my xbox 360 to play videogame content I downloaded off the internet and burned to discs. I hardly understood how, I just followed some instructions carefully. You only need one cracker. Friend-groups usually have someone patient enough to follow "tech recipes". - ingredients/parts - sequential process - result
    - jacquesm 4y ago
      I have an 11 year old here that sometimes really amazes me with his knowledge and persistence and I have zero doubt that if he was motivated to bypass something like this he'd get there, eventually. Never underestimate the reserves of persistence in a teenager that is determined to get their hands on something. I wished I had that kind of focus.
    - oucho 4y ago
      You don't bypass an iPhone lockscreen with your mum's sewing needle. If Apple cares enough about locking something, no average person bypasses it easily
  - str3wer 4y ago
    mfw the average "password protected secure-boot UEFI bootloader" can just be resetted by removing the internal battery

neodymiumphish 4y ago

Because that's an even easier market to get around. Any 18 year old can be the middleman for a minor's device purchase at an insignificant markup.

xhworhcuab 4y ago
How is that not the case with the system in place here ? Any 18yo could "unlock" a minor's phone with their ID...
babaqwerty 4y ago
And with this law, any 18yo can "unlock" a minor's device with their ID, how is that more robust than a mandatory parental control ?

jacquesm 4y ago

The degree to which people underestimate children is always interesting to me, especially on a forum such as this one where your average teenager would probably run circles around such stuff and be more than happy to jailbreak their buddies phones as well.

babaqwerty 4y ago
Isn't it underestimating them even more to think they can't install a VPN in two clicks (which is the only thing needed to bypass this law). Also I don't know from where you assume that an "average teen" can easily crack a manufacturer-imposed lock. Who is the "average teen" that can take an IPhone and bypass FaceID or the Pin Lockscreen ? Which average teen can bypass a password protected secure-boot UEFI bootloader ? Which average teen finds an exploit to unlock a phone bootloader without the manufacturer key ? If the a law would force the manufacturer to take it seriously, they could make the parental control far harder to bypass than this ridiculous and privacy invasive law
- boppo1 4y ago
  When I was 14 I used some parts from radioshack, "JTAG", and some of my mom's larger sewing needles to get my xbox 360 to play videogame content I downloaded off the internet and burned to discs. I hardly understood how, I just followed some instructions carefully. You only need one cracker. Friend-groups usually have someone patient enough to follow "tech recipes". - ingredients/parts - sequential process - result
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    I have an 11 year old here that sometimes really amazes me with his knowledge and persistence and I have zero doubt that if he was motivated to bypass something like this he'd get there, eventually. Never underestimate the reserves of persistence in a teenager that is determined to get their hands on something. I wished I had that kind of focus.
  - oucho 4y ago
    You don't bypass an iPhone lockscreen with your mum's sewing needle. If Apple cares enough about locking something, no average person bypasses it easily
- str3wer 4y ago
  mfw the average "password protected secure-boot UEFI bootloader" can just be resetted by removing the internal battery