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This is a deeply cynical view and mistakes what makes educating children challenging for the goals of education. Some educators suck. Some educational systems s

This is a deeply cynical view and mistakes what makes educating children challenging for the goals of education. Some educators suck. Some educational systems suck. Some engineers suck. Some tech companies suck. But to paint the entire educational system with the same shitty brush is absurd. I know many teachers and many people who work in education who go above and beyond to try to give kids the best experience possible. And despite what the tech universe seems to think, educational approaches change and improve and new ideas come into the mix, sometimes fairly rapidly. If anything, it's the fact that educational systems seem to be habitually underfunded that hinders them more than anything. Fund free public education. It pays back huge dividends. And treat teachers with respect.

eldaisfish 4y ago
I find a lot of commentary here to be false dichotomies. Here, education is either bad or good when the reality is that it depends. Some aspects are good, some are bad, some are good in some places, worse in others. A lot of people struggle with complexity and it is telling that a forum focused on computer science, IT and general tech is so challenged to realise this.
- gonzo41 4y ago
  Being good at one thing doesn't make you good at everything. See elon musk. Whilst I love the cynical view, and it somewhat sadly clicks. I agree high school education sits in the grey. From personal experience the most valuable lesson I leaned in high school is when I was doing something I was interested in getting sleep didn't matter. But learning how to grind through work is a really useful like skill. There's no way to teach hard work. You just got to do it.
  - wahnfrieden 4y ago
    Adults ought to be liberated as the starting point. HS is full of violence even if implied
ClumsyPilot 4y ago
> mistakes what makes educating children challenging for the goals of education. It would probably be more accurate to call them constraints. > to paint the entire educational system with the same shitty brush is absurd. I am not claiming it's shitty - I do believe you actually have to socialise kids, and familiarise with functioning of modern society, many families parents won't be able to do it.

eldaisfish 4y ago

I find a lot of commentary here to be false dichotomies. Here, education is either bad or good when the reality is that it depends. Some aspects are good, some are bad, some are good in some places, worse in others. A lot of people struggle with complexity and it is telling that a forum focused on computer science, IT and general tech is so challenged to realise this.

gonzo41 4y ago
Being good at one thing doesn't make you good at everything. See elon musk. Whilst I love the cynical view, and it somewhat sadly clicks. I agree high school education sits in the grey. From personal experience the most valuable lesson I leaned in high school is when I was doing something I was interested in getting sleep didn't matter. But learning how to grind through work is a really useful like skill. There's no way to teach hard work. You just got to do it.
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  Adults ought to be liberated as the starting point. HS is full of violence even if implied

ClumsyPilot 4y ago

> mistakes what makes educating children challenging for the goals of education. It would probably be more accurate to call them constraints. > to paint the entire educational system with the same shitty brush is absurd. I am not claiming it's shitty - I do believe you actually have to socialise kids, and familiarise with functioning of modern society, many families parents won't be able to do it.