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I do think there's actual correlation between getting up earlier and achievement. I don't know many successful people who get up super late. Don't know if that'

I do think there's actual correlation between getting up earlier and achievement. I don't know many successful people who get up super late. Don't know if that's correlation or causation, just that there's something to getting up early to crush it.

lolinder 4y ago
There may or may not be a correlation, but how much of that is a vicious cycle? The kids who grow up to be high achievers tend to have done well in school, which means at the very least they were able to cope with an early schedule. They then observe the correlation that you note and think to themselves "huh, my parents were right, everyone should wake up early" and proceed to preach it to the next generation, who learns it as if it were some fundamental fact of life and not a consequence of the way we've designed our systems. It's like the problem with math education: the people who dictate the way that the world works tend to be the ones who did well in the existing systems and can't see anything wrong with them.
waboremo 4y ago
There are only a certain amount of hours in a day that you can be actively chasing something. Your energy depletes, places close, sun goes down. So it doesn't matter if you get up at 4AM or at 10AM, what matters is the active hours you give yourself. The 4AM person is probably going to sleep earlier than the 10AM, so it equals out. The only real catch about this all is the simple fact society is based around the sun, and so if you are someone who wants to get up extremely late (2PM+), you have to work harder to accommodate. But those are very rare outside of health conditions. Even most night owls who say they're not a morning person, tend to wake up before 12PM purely because of how society functions. They can't have meetings when others are asleep! Although the interesting part is how much this changes in the future, with increasing levels of remote work and automation to compensate.
- xyzelement 4y ago
  // So it doesn't matter if you get up at 4AM or at 10AM, what matters is the active hours you give yourself. The 4AM person is probably going to sleep earlier than the 10AM, so it equals out What I am observing is that it doesn't actually seem to equal out for whatever reason.
  - waboremo 4y ago
    You might need to seek out more routine information from successful people. See Mark Cuban, Alexis Ohanian, Rihanna, Mark Zuckerberg, etc. All of them wake up around the ~7-9AM timeframe rather than the super early ones aiming for ~3-5AM. These 7-9 risers tend to go to bed around 10pm-12. There are some major super early risers of course, like Tim Cook. However he goes to bed much earlier at around ~8PM. So you can see how he's trading ~3 hours in the evening for ~3 hours in the morning (contrasting against Satya Nadella's 7AM-11PM schedule [16hrs equal]).
CadmiumYellow 4y ago
I'm convinced that that correlation has more to do with most of society functioning on a morning-oriented schedule. Night owls are often chronically sleep deprived and prevented from working during their peak hours. Anecdotally I do know a few people who are successful in the entertainment industry and most of them are serious night owls - I would imagine that they're suited to that kind of schedule the same way morning people are suited to the schedule of school or a corporate environment.

lolinder 4y ago

There may or may not be a correlation, but how much of that is a vicious cycle? The kids who grow up to be high achievers tend to have done well in school, which means at the very least they were able to cope with an early schedule. They then observe the correlation that you note and think to themselves "huh, my parents were right, everyone should wake up early" and proceed to preach it to the next generation, who learns it as if it were some fundamental fact of life and not a consequence of the way we've designed our systems. It's like the problem with math education: the people who dictate the way that the world works tend to be the ones who did well in the existing systems and can't see anything wrong with them.

waboremo 4y ago

There are only a certain amount of hours in a day that you can be actively chasing something. Your energy depletes, places close, sun goes down. So it doesn't matter if you get up at 4AM or at 10AM, what matters is the active hours you give yourself. The 4AM person is probably going to sleep earlier than the 10AM, so it equals out. The only real catch about this all is the simple fact society is based around the sun, and so if you are someone who wants to get up extremely late (2PM+), you have to work harder to accommodate. But those are very rare outside of health conditions. Even most night owls who say they're not a morning person, tend to wake up before 12PM purely because of how society functions. They can't have meetings when others are asleep! Although the interesting part is how much this changes in the future, with increasing levels of remote work and automation to compensate.

xyzelement 4y ago
// So it doesn't matter if you get up at 4AM or at 10AM, what matters is the active hours you give yourself. The 4AM person is probably going to sleep earlier than the 10AM, so it equals out What I am observing is that it doesn't actually seem to equal out for whatever reason.
- waboremo 4y ago
  You might need to seek out more routine information from successful people. See Mark Cuban, Alexis Ohanian, Rihanna, Mark Zuckerberg, etc. All of them wake up around the ~7-9AM timeframe rather than the super early ones aiming for ~3-5AM. These 7-9 risers tend to go to bed around 10pm-12. There are some major super early risers of course, like Tim Cook. However he goes to bed much earlier at around ~8PM. So you can see how he's trading ~3 hours in the evening for ~3 hours in the morning (contrasting against Satya Nadella's 7AM-11PM schedule [16hrs equal]).

CadmiumYellow 4y ago

I'm convinced that that correlation has more to do with most of society functioning on a morning-oriented schedule. Night owls are often chronically sleep deprived and prevented from working during their peak hours. Anecdotally I do know a few people who are successful in the entertainment industry and most of them are serious night owls - I would imagine that they're suited to that kind of schedule the same way morning people are suited to the schedule of school or a corporate environment.