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The study you linked to about conservative women seems to totally ignore the fact that there are confounding factors. To pick just one, conservatives are about

by elil17 4y ago

The study you linked to about conservative women seems to totally ignore the fact that there are confounding factors. To pick just one, conservatives are about half as likely to make under $30k/year compared to liberals:https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/compare/party-affiliation/by/income-distribution/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-stu... Additionally, lots of things have been happening in the last 30 years. The erosion of reproductive rights has been a slow process happening since right after Roe. Income inequality has been rising. Etc.

rayiner 4y ago
Party affiliation isn’t a good proxy for “liberal” versus “conservative” in this context. A lot of women who vote democrat are fairly socially conservative but vote democrat for other reasons. Only 58% of democrats, for example, say that “changing gender roles” has made it “easier” for “women to lead satisfying lives.” https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/10/18/wide-partisan-gaps-in-u-s-over-how-far-the-country-has-come-on-gender-equality/psdt_10-18-17_gender-00-15/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/10/18/wide-pa... If you look at another proxy for privilege, education, the trend runs in the opposite direction. Only 31% of women with only a high school education say feminism has helped them, versus 55% of those with a college education: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/07/07/a-century-after-women-gained-the-right-to-vote-majority-of-americans-see-work-to-do-on-gender-equality/psdt_06-20_19th_amendment-20/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/07/07/a-centu... The alternative read of the data, which I suspect is more accurate, is that increased rights and autonomy disproportionately benefits high status women (e.g. pursuing interesting careers, etc). Lower status women, meanwhile, disproportionately suffer the burdens (decreased pressure for men to make commitments and support families).
- elil17 4y ago
  Yougov’s standard liberal/conservative axis question (something along the lines of do you identify as strongly liberal/liberal/center/conservative/strongly conservative) maps pretty well to party affiliation. Pew surveys are much more sophisticated and do differentiate between some of those finer points that you mentioned.

by elil17 4y ago

rayiner 4y ago

Party affiliation isn’t a good proxy for “liberal” versus “conservative” in this context. A lot of women who vote democrat are fairly socially conservative but vote democrat for other reasons. Only 58% of democrats, for example, say that “changing gender roles” has made it “easier” for “women to lead satisfying lives.” https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/10/18/wide-partisan-gaps-in-u-s-over-how-far-the-country-has-come-on-gender-equality/psdt_10-18-17_gender-00-15/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/10/18/wide-pa... If you look at another proxy for privilege, education, the trend runs in the opposite direction. Only 31% of women with only a high school education say feminism has helped them, versus 55% of those with a college education: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/07/07/a-century-after-women-gained-the-right-to-vote-majority-of-americans-see-work-to-do-on-gender-equality/psdt_06-20_19th_amendment-20/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/07/07/a-centu... The alternative read of the data, which I suspect is more accurate, is that increased rights and autonomy disproportionately benefits high status women (e.g. pursuing interesting careers, etc). Lower status women, meanwhile, disproportionately suffer the burdens (decreased pressure for men to make commitments and support families).

elil17 4y ago
Yougov’s standard liberal/conservative axis question (something along the lines of do you identify as strongly liberal/liberal/center/conservative/strongly conservative) maps pretty well to party affiliation. Pew surveys are much more sophisticated and do differentiate between some of those finer points that you mentioned.