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Sounds like parents have too much to worry about since both parents have to work or their house will be foreclosed on. Ive read some speculation that the women

Sounds like parents have too much to worry about since both parents have to work or their house will be foreclosed on. Ive read some speculation that the women's right to work movement was just a ploy to double the workforce. Not only that, thet get double the workers for less money since nearly all women are paid less than their male counterparts.

lotsofpulp 4y ago
It could have had something to do with women desiring independence.
- krolden 4y ago
  Ofcouse. however they may have been misguided to think their families would benefit from both parents working while it was actually a detriment to their family in the end. Again, not saying women should t be able to work like anyone else, I'm saying having g both parents have to go to work does not benefit the family unit as they hoped. Especially since women are paid nearly half as much as men across nearly every industry.
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    Who is “they”, and why do you presume “they” pushed for women being able to work because it would benefit families? I want women to be able to work because I want the women in my life to not be caught under the thumb of an abuser. If it harms families somehow, that is a separate problem, with separate solutions that do not have anything to do with restricting the independence of women. >Especially since women are paid nearly half as much as men across nearly every industry. This is not true when comparing the price of the same labor offered by a man or woman.
    - krolden 4y ago
      "They" in this context are the people who benefit from an increased labor pool (capitalists, who want lower wages for everyone) and those who thought it was done for their benefit. >This is not true when comparing the price of the same labor offered by a man or woman. Okay, maybe not HALF, but you can't argue with the gender wage gap. Men make ~20% more than women. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/wb/data/occupations https://www.dol.gov/agencies/wb/data/occupations
      - thegrimmest 4y ago
        > Men make ~20% more than women. This is so disingenuous it really shouldn't be repeated. The pay gap within the same job is miniscule. Men and women make different career choices. There's just no accounting for the lack of women applying for high-paying positions as roughnecks.
        krolden 4y ago
        Well the numbers are coming from the dept of labor so idk what you're talking about.
        thegrimmest 4y ago
        what are the numbers within the same role?
SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
I want to counter the “women’s right to work movement was just a ploy to double the workforce” because it implies that there is a double meaning or some wild conspiracy. In reality, women being financially independent is highly protective against financial abuse. Financial Abuse occurs in the vast majority of domestic violence cases and a majority of victims who return to their abusers do so because of financial insecurity. With the additional risk that the majority of women who are murdered are murdered by their abusive partners, a woman’s right to work is a matter of survival. That it has additional consequences societally, such as workforce doubling, doesn’t mean that there aren’t women behaving independently for their own benefits more so than there are “they” who manipulate half the population for some nebulous capitalist gain.

lotsofpulp 4y ago

It could have had something to do with women desiring independence.

krolden 4y ago
Ofcouse. however they may have been misguided to think their families would benefit from both parents working while it was actually a detriment to their family in the end. Again, not saying women should t be able to work like anyone else, I'm saying having g both parents have to go to work does not benefit the family unit as they hoped. Especially since women are paid nearly half as much as men across nearly every industry.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  Who is “they”, and why do you presume “they” pushed for women being able to work because it would benefit families? I want women to be able to work because I want the women in my life to not be caught under the thumb of an abuser. If it harms families somehow, that is a separate problem, with separate solutions that do not have anything to do with restricting the independence of women. >Especially since women are paid nearly half as much as men across nearly every industry. This is not true when comparing the price of the same labor offered by a man or woman.
  - krolden 4y ago
    "They" in this context are the people who benefit from an increased labor pool (capitalists, who want lower wages for everyone) and those who thought it was done for their benefit. >This is not true when comparing the price of the same labor offered by a man or woman. Okay, maybe not HALF, but you can't argue with the gender wage gap. Men make ~20% more than women. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/wb/data/occupations https://www.dol.gov/agencies/wb/data/occupations
    - thegrimmest 4y ago
      > Men make ~20% more than women. This is so disingenuous it really shouldn't be repeated. The pay gap within the same job is miniscule. Men and women make different career choices. There's just no accounting for the lack of women applying for high-paying positions as roughnecks.
      - krolden 4y ago
        Well the numbers are coming from the dept of labor so idk what you're talking about.
        thegrimmest 4y ago
        what are the numbers within the same role?

SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago

I want to counter the “women’s right to work movement was just a ploy to double the workforce” because it implies that there is a double meaning or some wild conspiracy. In reality, women being financially independent is highly protective against financial abuse. Financial Abuse occurs in the vast majority of domestic violence cases and a majority of victims who return to their abusers do so because of financial insecurity. With the additional risk that the majority of women who are murdered are murdered by their abusive partners, a woman’s right to work is a matter of survival. That it has additional consequences societally, such as workforce doubling, doesn’t mean that there aren’t women behaving independently for their own benefits more so than there are “they” who manipulate half the population for some nebulous capitalist gain.