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> The thing to remember in fact, (as I have emphasized many times) is that Chat has no idea of what it's talking about. It's not about ChatGPT has idea of what
by comment_ran 4y ago
> The thing to remember in fact, (as I have emphasized many times) is that Chat has no idea of what it's talking about.
It's not about ChatGPT has idea of what it's talking about, it's more about the user who interact with it. There is a story from ancient China that comes from the book "Zhuangzi."
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“子非鱼,安知鱼之乐? 请问子熟乎”
子曰:“不熟。”
“不熟则不知鱼之乐?”
子曰:“不然。吾非不知也,鱼之乐大,全而美者,吾志也。然而吾得不到也。”
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The meaning of this passage is: someone asked Zhuangzi, "How do you know that fish feel joy when they swim? Do you have any relationship with fish?" Zhuangzi replied, "I am not familiar with fish, and I don't know the joy of fish." The questioner then asked, "If you are not familiar with fish, how do you know the joy of fish?" Zhuangzi replied, "I am not saying that I don't know about it, the joy of fish is great and beautiful, and I aspire to it. However, I cannot experience it myself." Through this description, Zhuangzi wanted to express a philosophical point that our experiences and understanding are limited by our own subjectivity, making it difficult to truly understand the essence of things beyond ourselves.
- mellosouls 4y agoIt really isn't the same thing; Nagel raises the same point as your example in his famous essay on Bats [1]. Marcus' point is there is no reason to think ChatGPT/similar has (or ever will have) sentience, not that it is simply a different type that we do not have access to. [1]https://wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Is_It_Like_to_Be_a_Bat https://wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Is_It_Like_to_Be_a_Bat
- nkurz 4y agoI don't think I saw this story in the first 50 years of my life, and now I've seen it on successive days: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34767947 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34767947. Coincidence, or just selective perception?