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Trying to understand how the internals of the stock market work
There is a lot of information online about the stock market, but I am at a loss for something about how it actually works. From how online brokers actually execute a trade with the NYSE or NASDAQ, to basically anything else on how this system actually works. Sorry if there is an easy source for this information, I just haven't been able to find one.
- markus_zhang 4y agoFind a day trading firm that gives you a bit of $$$ to trade, a professional trading workstation and you will understand the basics rather quickly. They usually don't give you salary but give you payout once you win some $$. TBH I'm not sure whether these firms still exist but back in 201X I did a few months of day trading (mostly scalping CIM).
- catasaurus 4y agolol I have never understood day trading. Everyone says day traders lose money yet somehow people make money doing it enough that they can get jobs at hedge funds and the like.
- hnthrowaway0315 4y agoMost people lost $$ eventually and those who win consistently don't necessarily care about a hedge fund job. From what I remember they basically told us not to be afraid of losing $$ because our capital allowance for each stock is small. My best stock was CIM and the allowance was merely 10 hands which is 10k shares. I'm not sure if it leads to a job in hedge funds but I think hedge funds are very picky about schools and such.
- DMell 4y agoGet an SIE study guide and read it cover to cover. https://www.investopedia.com/best-sie-exam-prep-courses-4795763 https://www.investopedia.com/best-sie-exam-prep-courses-4795...
- catasaurus 4y agoSounds good! Thank you
- NoboruWataya 4y agoI don't have any specific resources to suggest but if you are interested in learning about the financial "infrastructure" that allows stocks to be traded, you should read up on the securities clearing systems - primarily DTCC in the US and Euroclear/Clearstream in Europe.
- catasaurus 4y agoOk, I will look into that
- bradwood 4y agoLook up the concept of a "Central Limit Order Book" (CLOB) -- this is the fundamental data structure that allows the matching and of buy- and sell-orders on a typical exchange "matching engine". It matches these orders in "price-time" priority. Once you understand this, everything else, at least at a technical level, more or less falls into place, but you will need to learn a bit about the various order types (market, limit, etc), and the concept of "liquidity provision" On top of that you can look at concepts like "Exchange Connectivity", "Market Data" Feeds, "Clearing" and "Central Counterparties", and, of course "FIX". It will take time, but it'll all fit together in the end and you'll end up with a reference architecture for a prototypical exchange business reasonably easily after that. Source: I worked in wholesale finance IT for over 2 decades, a good chunk of those in exchange / exchange-like businesses.
- randomcarbloke 4y agoif this all interests him he should in addition read up on SOR.
- bradwood 4y agoYeah. DMA, Sponsored Access, SOR, (both sellside and buyside),dark pools, etc. And this is just equities and listed derivatives (and the odd bond). When you get on to FX and Fixed Income proper it all changes quite a bit as these tend to use a bifurcated market structure with CLOBs on the D2D side and quote-based markets on the D2C side. In all, a whole lot more complicated than a cash equities structure.
- catasaurus 4y agoThank you so much! I will definitely look into all of this. So surprised that I got so many answers! Hacker news > reddit
- kratom_sandwich 4y agoA bit outdated, but "Securities Operations" by Michael Simmons might be starting point. "[It] focuses on the settlement aspects of a securities transaction." https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Securities+Operations%3A+A+Guide+to+Trade+and+Position+Management-p-9780471497585 https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Securities+Operations%3A+A+Guide...
- bradwood 4y agoThis is an excellent book for explaining everything post-trade. But it's light on prep-trade and actual trade execution.
- akg_67 4y agoLarry Harris, Trading & Exchanges: Market Microstructure for Practitioners, Oxford 2003 David M Weiss, After the Trade is Made: Processing Securities Transactions, Penguin 2006
- ted_bunny 4y agoThis is the kind of thing ChatGPT is excellent at, just saying.
- catasaurus 4y agoLol. I know I'm a new user but I'm not ChatGPT :)
- catasaurus 4y agoOh, reading this again. Do you mean something ChatGPT is excellent at answering? The only problem with that is that ChatGPT is really just an excellent bullshit machine, as in it is really good at making stuff up. So I would probably get some questionable information when it comes to smaller details.
- ted_bunny 4y agoYeah, I guess I haven't run into that enough to know when it's a danger. I wonder what conditions cause it to bullshit.
- leet_thow 4y agoThe study of Complex Adaptive Systems can provide a lot of insight.
- mypastself 4y agoThis website is great for developing math intuition, but they also have an excellent article on the very basics of the stock market: https://betterexplained.com/articles/what-you-should-know-about-the-stock-market/ https://betterexplained.com/articles/what-you-should-know-ab...
- purpleblue 4y agoThis is the definitive book: https://www.amazon.com/Trading-Exchanges-Market-Microstructure-Practitioners/dp/0195144708 https://www.amazon.com/Trading-Exchanges-Market-Microstructu...