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Is it a requirement that you use an Element-based client?

by ripdog 4y ago

benatkin 4y ago
No, but since Element led by some of the same people as Matrix, I want to observe the type of open core project it is. Is it more like GitLab or more like Supabase? GitLab has a lot of help for self-hosting, while with Supabase if you want to run its components on your own it's up to you.
- andrewshadura 4y ago
  Unlike GitLab, Matrix is not open core, and so isn't Element or Synapse, they properly and fully open source. Also, Element is just some JavaScript in your browser or electron shell, there's no need to self-host it really, although you can (just put some HTML+CSS+JS up on a webserver) — you want to self-host Synapse, and that's trivial to do (there's a Debian package, a Docker image and so on).
  - benatkin 4y ago
    > Matrix is not open core I'm comparing Element. > and so isn't Element It sure seems to be. Look at the red X's and green checkmarks in the comparison: https://element.io/pricing https://element.io/pricing There are different opinions on what Open Core means though.
    - ensignavenger 4y ago
      I think that comparison is just heir hosted offerings, not what the software (open source code) supports.
    - cp9 4y ago
      https://github.com/vector-im/element-web https://github.com/vector-im/element-web
    - ptman 4y ago
      Some of their bridges (e.g. Teams bridge) aren't open source. But those are separate software projects. AFAIK synapse and element aren't open core but fully open source (with apache licensing). This is in fact a bit of a problem wrt. funding: https://matrix.org/blog/2022/12/01/funding-matrix-via-the-matrix-org-foundation https://matrix.org/blog/2022/12/01/funding-matrix-via-the-ma...
  - progval 4y ago
    Scalar (the integration manager) is not open source [1] (though there was some effort to reverse-engineer its protocol [2]); and some of their anti-abuse scripts aren't public [3] [1] https://github.com/vector-im/element-meta/issues/260 https://github.com/vector-im/element-meta/issues/260 [2] https://github.com/turt2live/matrix-dimension/blob/master/docs/reference/scalar_client_api.md https://github.com/turt2live/matrix-dimension/blob/master/do... [3] https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix.org/issues/557 https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix.org/issues/557
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Is it a requirement that you use an Element-based client?

by ripdog 4y ago

Is it a requirement that you use an Element-based client?

No, but since Element led by some of the same people as Matrix, I want to observe the type of open core project it is. Is it more like GitLab or more like Supabase? GitLab has a lot of help for self-hosting, while with Supabase if you want to run its components on your own it's up to you.

andrewshadura 4y ago
Unlike GitLab, Matrix is not open core, and so isn't Element or Synapse, they properly and fully open source. Also, Element is just some JavaScript in your browser or electron shell, there's no need to self-host it really, although you can (just put some HTML+CSS+JS up on a webserver) — you want to self-host Synapse, and that's trivial to do (there's a Debian package, a Docker image and so on).
- benatkin 4y ago
  > Matrix is not open core I'm comparing Element. > and so isn't Element It sure seems to be. Look at the red X's and green checkmarks in the comparison: https://element.io/pricing https://element.io/pricing There are different opinions on what Open Core means though.
  - ensignavenger 4y ago
    I think that comparison is just heir hosted offerings, not what the software (open source code) supports.
  - cp9 4y ago
    https://github.com/vector-im/element-web https://github.com/vector-im/element-web
  - ptman 4y ago
    Some of their bridges (e.g. Teams bridge) aren't open source. But those are separate software projects. AFAIK synapse and element aren't open core but fully open source (with apache licensing). This is in fact a bit of a problem wrt. funding: https://matrix.org/blog/2022/12/01/funding-matrix-via-the-matrix-org-foundation https://matrix.org/blog/2022/12/01/funding-matrix-via-the-ma...
- progval 4y ago
  Scalar (the integration manager) is not open source [1] (though there was some effort to reverse-engineer its protocol [2]); and some of their anti-abuse scripts aren't public [3] [1] https://github.com/vector-im/element-meta/issues/260 https://github.com/vector-im/element-meta/issues/260 [2] https://github.com/turt2live/matrix-dimension/blob/master/docs/reference/scalar_client_api.md https://github.com/turt2live/matrix-dimension/blob/master/do... [3] https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix.org/issues/557 https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix.org/issues/557

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