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It is telling that there is almost no overlap between your list of why you hate Teams, and my list of why I hate Teams. Burn it with fire. Salt the ground on

It is telling that there is almost no overlap between your list of why you hate Teams, and my list of why I hate Teams. Burn it with fire. Salt the ground on which it stood.

X-Istence 4y ago
That's because there's nothing redeemable about Teams. My list of annoyances are the things I dealt with this morning... I am sure that if you give me another hour or two I will have a whole new list of annoyances :P
- heleninboodler 4y ago
  This is the real reason people hate it with such a passion. It's just got so many baffling/annoying misfeatures that you could make lists about it endlessly. Have they changed the thing where you only see a circle with people's initials during meetings and you have to click on them to see their actual names? Edit: note that zoom has some equally-baffling and irritating design choices, but at least it performs well and doesn't try to do nearly as much, so the list of things I hate about it stays small. It's also damning that the list of things I hate about it hasn't changed in the three years I've been using it heavily, but at this point I'm grudgingly comfortable with its "quirks."
  - lmm 4y ago
    > It's also damning that the list of things I hate about it hasn't changed in the three years I've been using it heavily Honestly, I'll take a program with a bunch of consistent downsides over one that has fewer downsides but comes up with new ones in each version.
    - antifa 4y ago
      Teams is so bad in weird inconsistent ways it feels they A/B downsides and bugs instead of features.
  - X-Istence 4y ago
    > Have they changed the thing where you only see a circle with people's initials during meetings and you have to click on them to see their actual names? Nope.
    - heleninboodler 4y ago
      This one is inexplicable. I don't know my coworkers by their initials, I know them by their names. I know it sounds like a simple mental mapping, but first off, it apparently isn't because I see initials and then I have to go mentally step through names to figure out who it could match, and second, I have multiple team members whose initials are JS, you fucking idiots. Is this like a fun puzzle to some people? I don't get it at all. There is room for the names. Just display the names. In fact, if you really want to beat zoom, show me a nice compact list of people in the meeting, with their names, with a sound meter, with their mute status, sorted by who spoke most recently. Make this something I can see in my main meeting window, for a fairly large number of people (let's say at least 25) without paging through them. Let it go to multiple columns if necessary and I give it space. Do NOT do the zoom thing and make them all get really big so I can still only see 8.

It is telling that there is almost no overlap between your list of why you hate Teams, and my list of why I hate Teams. Burn it with fire. Salt the ground on which it stood.

X-Istence 4y ago

That's because there's nothing redeemable about Teams. My list of annoyances are the things I dealt with this morning... I am sure that if you give me another hour or two I will have a whole new list of annoyances :P

heleninboodler 4y ago
This is the real reason people hate it with such a passion. It's just got so many baffling/annoying misfeatures that you could make lists about it endlessly. Have they changed the thing where you only see a circle with people's initials during meetings and you have to click on them to see their actual names? Edit: note that zoom has some equally-baffling and irritating design choices, but at least it performs well and doesn't try to do nearly as much, so the list of things I hate about it stays small. It's also damning that the list of things I hate about it hasn't changed in the three years I've been using it heavily, but at this point I'm grudgingly comfortable with its "quirks."
- lmm 4y ago
  > It's also damning that the list of things I hate about it hasn't changed in the three years I've been using it heavily Honestly, I'll take a program with a bunch of consistent downsides over one that has fewer downsides but comes up with new ones in each version.
  - antifa 4y ago
    Teams is so bad in weird inconsistent ways it feels they A/B downsides and bugs instead of features.
- X-Istence 4y ago
  > Have they changed the thing where you only see a circle with people's initials during meetings and you have to click on them to see their actual names? Nope.
  - heleninboodler 4y ago
    This one is inexplicable. I don't know my coworkers by their initials, I know them by their names. I know it sounds like a simple mental mapping, but first off, it apparently isn't because I see initials and then I have to go mentally step through names to figure out who it could match, and second, I have multiple team members whose initials are JS, you fucking idiots. Is this like a fun puzzle to some people? I don't get it at all. There is room for the names. Just display the names. In fact, if you really want to beat zoom, show me a nice compact list of people in the meeting, with their names, with a sound meter, with their mute status, sorted by who spoke most recently. Make this something I can see in my main meeting window, for a fairly large number of people (let's say at least 25) without paging through them. Let it go to multiple columns if necessary and I give it space. Do NOT do the zoom thing and make them all get really big so I can still only see 8.