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Likewise, I don’t particularly like it but it’s fine. My biggest gripe is nonexistent official Linux support - I hate having to use a package maintained by one

by kdtsh 4y ago

Likewise, I don’t particularly like it but it’s fine. My biggest gripe is nonexistent official Linux support - I hate having to use a package maintained by one person on GitHub to get a desktop application for Linux, when this application is so critical for my day to day. But besides that it works fine.

wvenable 4y ago
I use Teams in Chrome a lot. Given that it's an electron app, I'm not sure it matters that much that it's "native" vs. "web app".
- vinceguidry 4y ago
  you do get the benefit of the app author's knowledge of how to tweak the chromium env to run it reasonably well. And of course the community support.
MaKey 4y ago
The Linux app doesn't even support screen sharing when you're using Wayland. I was forced to try out the browser based variant (meeting link opened the web variant instantly instead of giving me the choice to use the app instead) and can now finally share my screen (even single windows!). Also I can now use backgrounds, which the app didn't support.
- bsder 4y ago
  > Wayland Don't blame Teams for the fact that Linux can't sort out its Desktop GUI situation.
  - gcbirzan 4y ago
    Yes, the second graphical API that Linux supports in 30 years, definitely Linux's problem.
    - bsder 4y ago
      The fact that screenshots and the security around them is still a flaming ball of garbage on Linux is not Teams' fault. The fact that Wayland still sucks after 15+ years is not Teams' fault. The fact that nobody unpaid want to work on X11, Wayland, and Linux GUI stuff is not Teams' fault.
      - jacquesm 4y ago
        That may well be true, but other providers of similar services seem to have this working just fine.
  - kdtsh 4y ago
    Linux ‘sorted out’ its display server protocol years ago, it’s Wayland. Fedora has been on Wayland by default since 31. Ubuntu has been on Wayland by default since 21.4. Debian has been on Wayland by default since 11. Distributions that don’t have an implementation of Wayland enabled by default are hold-outs at this point. It’s somewhat understandable that developers for Microsoft might not be fully across the status of display servers and their respective implementations in Linux, but it’s a reasonable rule of thumb to assume that Wayland is the way to go for any new projects since 2021 at the very latest. If you build your app for X today it’s probably going to be running under XWayland anyway.
- kdtsh 4y ago
  That always frustrated me, even more-so considering how that volunteer-built package I mentioned (https://github.com/IsmaelMartinez/teams-for-linux https://github.com/IsmaelMartinez/teams-for-linux - an Electron build of the web app, nothing flashy but does the job just fine) does support screen sharing. I haven’t checked whether it supports backgrounds as I only use voice when on calls, but I’m guessing it does if the browser variant does.
vladvasiliu 4y ago
What do you mean? MS puts out debs and rpms for teams: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-teams/download-app https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-teams/download-app
- stonogo 4y ago
  Those were EOLed last year. Microsoft's current guidance is to use the PWA in Chrome or Edge. https://office365itpros.com/2022/09/19/teams-pwa-linux-client/ https://office365itpros.com/2022/09/19/teams-pwa-linux-clien... It's easy to miss, because it was only posted to the Office365 Message Center, and not announced anywhere else. Discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32678839 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32678839
  - vladvasiliu 4y ago
    Huh, didn't know that. Although the old client still works well, and I actually like the meeting screen better, since it allows me to set the incoming video to full screen, which works great for screen sharing.

by kdtsh 4y ago

wvenable 4y ago

I use Teams in Chrome a lot. Given that it's an electron app, I'm not sure it matters that much that it's "native" vs. "web app".

vinceguidry 4y ago
you do get the benefit of the app author's knowledge of how to tweak the chromium env to run it reasonably well. And of course the community support.

MaKey 4y ago

The Linux app doesn't even support screen sharing when you're using Wayland. I was forced to try out the browser based variant (meeting link opened the web variant instantly instead of giving me the choice to use the app instead) and can now finally share my screen (even single windows!). Also I can now use backgrounds, which the app didn't support.

bsder 4y ago
> Wayland Don't blame Teams for the fact that Linux can't sort out its Desktop GUI situation.
- gcbirzan 4y ago
  Yes, the second graphical API that Linux supports in 30 years, definitely Linux's problem.
  - bsder 4y ago
    The fact that screenshots and the security around them is still a flaming ball of garbage on Linux is not Teams' fault. The fact that Wayland still sucks after 15+ years is not Teams' fault. The fact that nobody unpaid want to work on X11, Wayland, and Linux GUI stuff is not Teams' fault.
    - jacquesm 4y ago
      That may well be true, but other providers of similar services seem to have this working just fine.
- kdtsh 4y ago
  Linux ‘sorted out’ its display server protocol years ago, it’s Wayland. Fedora has been on Wayland by default since 31. Ubuntu has been on Wayland by default since 21.4. Debian has been on Wayland by default since 11. Distributions that don’t have an implementation of Wayland enabled by default are hold-outs at this point. It’s somewhat understandable that developers for Microsoft might not be fully across the status of display servers and their respective implementations in Linux, but it’s a reasonable rule of thumb to assume that Wayland is the way to go for any new projects since 2021 at the very latest. If you build your app for X today it’s probably going to be running under XWayland anyway.
kdtsh 4y ago
That always frustrated me, even more-so considering how that volunteer-built package I mentioned (https://github.com/IsmaelMartinez/teams-for-linux https://github.com/IsmaelMartinez/teams-for-linux - an Electron build of the web app, nothing flashy but does the job just fine) does support screen sharing. I haven’t checked whether it supports backgrounds as I only use voice when on calls, but I’m guessing it does if the browser variant does.

vladvasiliu 4y ago

What do you mean? MS puts out debs and rpms for teams: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-teams/download-app https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-teams/download-app

stonogo 4y ago
Those were EOLed last year. Microsoft's current guidance is to use the PWA in Chrome or Edge. https://office365itpros.com/2022/09/19/teams-pwa-linux-client/ https://office365itpros.com/2022/09/19/teams-pwa-linux-clien... It's easy to miss, because it was only posted to the Office365 Message Center, and not announced anywhere else. Discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32678839 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32678839
- vladvasiliu 4y ago
  Huh, didn't know that. Although the old client still works well, and I actually like the meeting screen better, since it allows me to set the incoming video to full screen, which works great for screen sharing.