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Your definition of broken is likely different than the GP.

by xattt 4y ago

wvenable 4y ago
Broken means "doesn't work". I've used Teams for 2 years now for conferencing, chat, desktop sharing, etc. It works just fine. I think a lot of Microsoft hate is clouding judgement here. People want Teams to suck.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  I simply can not get it to work. Note that we are on Linux/Chromebooks depending on the person in the team and this alone seems to be a major barrier for something that should be a non-issue. Every two bit video chat site in the world seems to have this figured out.
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  - phpisthebest 4y ago
    >>I simply can not get it to work. Seems like that is something you should have stated in the first comment. >>Linux/Chromebooks depending on the person in the team and this alone seems to be a major barrier Something like les than 1% of the world uses Linux on the desktop. Dont get me wrong I love Linux, I used it as my primary desktop from 2005 until around 2012 when I went back to Windows (windows 10) But calling problems on linux a "major issue" seems to over state the usage of Linux Desktop further depending on when you tried it, and what client you were using that is likely the root cause The Linux Desktop client always sucked, so much is no longer a thing, 100% a web app now. The web App teams should work just fine.
    - jacquesm 4y ago
      1% of the world -> you are missing out on whole orgs that use Chromebooks. I'm sure that if you use the whole Windows enchilada that it may work, but given that Microsoft has shipped a Linux desktop client[1] I would expect that thing to simply work. It doesn't. Besides wanting to run all the time even when you're not in a teams meeting. Video conferencing is all about seamless integration, it should get out of the way as much as possible and as soon as the tool becomes the focal point of the meeting in my book you've failed to deliver. [1] https://petri.com/microsoft-replace-teams-linux-client-progressive-web-app/ https://petri.com/microsoft-replace-teams-linux-client-progr... And they retired it, apparently because they agreed with my assessment or it isn't worth their trouble.
      - blibble 4y ago
        > but given that Microsoft has shipped a Linux desktop client[1] I would expect that thing to simply work. this is the entire Microsoft business model: 1. identify a competitor's product 2. clone it, but only spend enough engineering effort to make it sound plausible enough to tick the required boxes for evaluation by someone won't have to use it 3. bundle it with your other products (so no need to compete on quality)
  - zdragnar 4y ago
    Weird, I've used teams on a chromebook before, no problem with the basic functionality we used (i.e. video call).
  - blibble 4y ago
    > I simply can not get it to work. Note that we are on Linux/Chromebooks I'm sure Microsoft will get right on improving that "DOS aint done 'til Lotus won't run"
  - jvdvegt 4y ago
    I'm using it on my cheap Acer laptop with Ubuntu and Wayland daily, and the website works as intended (the Linux app is horrible).
- xattt 4y ago
  My broken is fixing something all the time in order to get it to work correctly. Why does Teams occasionally load up with the usual icons showing the broken image icon? Why did my organization create a special “Fix Teams” utility?
  - hackmiester 4y ago
    My org does not use Teams at all. But I get invited to external Teams meetings sometimes. As a result, Teams is on my computer, adds itself to the startup items, then opens up to a login window every time I turn on my computer. The X button does not work to close the window. I have to open Task Manager and kill it every time. I can disable it in startup items, but it puts itself back there, next time I join a Teams meeting. Also, if I am using my computer in the closed position, it still chooses the integrated webcam and microphone every time, even sometimes switching to them randomly during a meeting. Of course, I am running on an unusual setup that I'm sure Microsoft didn't think to test: I am running Microsoft Teams on Microsoft Windows 10 on a Microsoft Surface Pro computer.
    - Kwpolska 4y ago
      You can use Teams from your browser, no need to install it.
      - hackmiester 4y ago
        I will try that next time. I don't think that occurred to me because the Zoom app experience is very good. What I have been doing instead is joining from the Teams app on my phone unless I must share content.
- SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
  >I think a lot of Microsoft hate is clouding judgement here. People want Teams to suck. Agreed. It's as bandwagon as I've seen anything else. FFS, I half expect to see M$ written about. It works fine, have your meeting and get back to work. What is it that people are trying to do in Teams?
- dghlsakjg 4y ago
  I actually like a lot of microsoft products, even though I own several thousand dollars worth of Apple hardware. I happily use windows 10 for most personal computing (I haven't upgraded, so no comment on 11), VScode, github, word, excel, whatever... Teams, though, is one MS product that genuinely never worked for me. Last company I was at used it, and they had to upgrade my work machine since teams needed more CPU (old machine was an i5 macbook with 8gb). Google/zoom was fine, but running teams would regularly overheat my computer.
phpisthebest 4y ago
Pretty sure the GP definition of broke is not really what broke means. I know it is all the rage these days to just redefine terms to make them often mean the exact opposite of what the rest of the planet understands them to mean But we have to have shared definitions for words or communications just breaks down It can not be "your definition of broke is different from mine" if that is the case then language is just noise and we need to stop communicating
- jacquesm 4y ago
  Do you realize I'm the idiot that came up with live video in the browser to begin with? When I say it is broken I'm pretty serious about it: we spent a full day because there was one customer that positively insisted that we had to use their Teams setup rather than what we normally use and in the end we just gave up, it isn't worth the stress to me if there is a viable alternative (or even several). But of course if you think that I'm redefining the meaning of the word 'broken' just for the heck of it then you're free to continue to do so.
  - phpisthebest 4y ago
    >> we spent a full day because there was one customer that positively insisted that we had to use their Teams setup rather So you tried it once, as a guest and then banned the entire things with out understand the permissions systems or any other possible causes? Understand that as a Admin I have the power to block Guests from Joining, Block some features from Guest, and so alot of things that is not commonly possible under other platforms. Often these security settings are aggressive by default, for example we had an issue with one client needing to connect to one of our teams room, teams and the room worked fine but because the security settings the Guest could not connect, everyone else could but the guest could not This is not something that can be fixed by the guest, nor it is problem with teams as a technology, it is the security controls built into the platform >Do you realize I'm the idiot that came up with live video in the browser to begin with? and I am a guy that wrote PHP code in the 90's and love it... so....
    - 4y ago

Your definition of broken is likely different than the GP.

by xattt 4y ago

Your definition of broken is likely different than the GP.

Broken means "doesn't work". I've used Teams for 2 years now for conferencing, chat, desktop sharing, etc. It works just fine. I think a lot of Microsoft hate is clouding judgement here. People want Teams to suck.

jacquesm 4y ago
I simply can not get it to work. Note that we are on Linux/Chromebooks depending on the person in the team and this alone seems to be a major barrier for something that should be a non-issue. Every two bit video chat site in the world seems to have this figured out.
- deleted 4y ago
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- phpisthebest 4y ago
  >>I simply can not get it to work. Seems like that is something you should have stated in the first comment. >>Linux/Chromebooks depending on the person in the team and this alone seems to be a major barrier Something like les than 1% of the world uses Linux on the desktop. Dont get me wrong I love Linux, I used it as my primary desktop from 2005 until around 2012 when I went back to Windows (windows 10) But calling problems on linux a "major issue" seems to over state the usage of Linux Desktop further depending on when you tried it, and what client you were using that is likely the root cause The Linux Desktop client always sucked, so much is no longer a thing, 100% a web app now. The web App teams should work just fine.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    1% of the world -> you are missing out on whole orgs that use Chromebooks. I'm sure that if you use the whole Windows enchilada that it may work, but given that Microsoft has shipped a Linux desktop client[1] I would expect that thing to simply work. It doesn't. Besides wanting to run all the time even when you're not in a teams meeting. Video conferencing is all about seamless integration, it should get out of the way as much as possible and as soon as the tool becomes the focal point of the meeting in my book you've failed to deliver. [1] https://petri.com/microsoft-replace-teams-linux-client-progressive-web-app/ https://petri.com/microsoft-replace-teams-linux-client-progr... And they retired it, apparently because they agreed with my assessment or it isn't worth their trouble.
    - blibble 4y ago
      > but given that Microsoft has shipped a Linux desktop client[1] I would expect that thing to simply work. this is the entire Microsoft business model: 1. identify a competitor's product 2. clone it, but only spend enough engineering effort to make it sound plausible enough to tick the required boxes for evaluation by someone won't have to use it 3. bundle it with your other products (so no need to compete on quality)
- zdragnar 4y ago
  Weird, I've used teams on a chromebook before, no problem with the basic functionality we used (i.e. video call).
- blibble 4y ago
  > I simply can not get it to work. Note that we are on Linux/Chromebooks I'm sure Microsoft will get right on improving that "DOS aint done 'til Lotus won't run"
- jvdvegt 4y ago
  I'm using it on my cheap Acer laptop with Ubuntu and Wayland daily, and the website works as intended (the Linux app is horrible).
xattt 4y ago
My broken is fixing something all the time in order to get it to work correctly. Why does Teams occasionally load up with the usual icons showing the broken image icon? Why did my organization create a special “Fix Teams” utility?
- hackmiester 4y ago
  My org does not use Teams at all. But I get invited to external Teams meetings sometimes. As a result, Teams is on my computer, adds itself to the startup items, then opens up to a login window every time I turn on my computer. The X button does not work to close the window. I have to open Task Manager and kill it every time. I can disable it in startup items, but it puts itself back there, next time I join a Teams meeting. Also, if I am using my computer in the closed position, it still chooses the integrated webcam and microphone every time, even sometimes switching to them randomly during a meeting. Of course, I am running on an unusual setup that I'm sure Microsoft didn't think to test: I am running Microsoft Teams on Microsoft Windows 10 on a Microsoft Surface Pro computer.
  - Kwpolska 4y ago
    You can use Teams from your browser, no need to install it.
    - hackmiester 4y ago
      I will try that next time. I don't think that occurred to me because the Zoom app experience is very good. What I have been doing instead is joining from the Teams app on my phone unless I must share content.
SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
>I think a lot of Microsoft hate is clouding judgement here. People want Teams to suck. Agreed. It's as bandwagon as I've seen anything else. FFS, I half expect to see M$ written about. It works fine, have your meeting and get back to work. What is it that people are trying to do in Teams?
dghlsakjg 4y ago
I actually like a lot of microsoft products, even though I own several thousand dollars worth of Apple hardware. I happily use windows 10 for most personal computing (I haven't upgraded, so no comment on 11), VScode, github, word, excel, whatever... Teams, though, is one MS product that genuinely never worked for me. Last company I was at used it, and they had to upgrade my work machine since teams needed more CPU (old machine was an i5 macbook with 8gb). Google/zoom was fine, but running teams would regularly overheat my computer.

phpisthebest 4y ago

Pretty sure the GP definition of broke is not really what broke means. I know it is all the rage these days to just redefine terms to make them often mean the exact opposite of what the rest of the planet understands them to mean But we have to have shared definitions for words or communications just breaks down It can not be "your definition of broke is different from mine" if that is the case then language is just noise and we need to stop communicating

jacquesm 4y ago
Do you realize I'm the idiot that came up with live video in the browser to begin with? When I say it is broken I'm pretty serious about it: we spent a full day because there was one customer that positively insisted that we had to use their Teams setup rather than what we normally use and in the end we just gave up, it isn't worth the stress to me if there is a viable alternative (or even several). But of course if you think that I'm redefining the meaning of the word 'broken' just for the heck of it then you're free to continue to do so.
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  >> we spent a full day because there was one customer that positively insisted that we had to use their Teams setup rather So you tried it once, as a guest and then banned the entire things with out understand the permissions systems or any other possible causes? Understand that as a Admin I have the power to block Guests from Joining, Block some features from Guest, and so alot of things that is not commonly possible under other platforms. Often these security settings are aggressive by default, for example we had an issue with one client needing to connect to one of our teams room, teams and the room worked fine but because the security settings the Guest could not connect, everyone else could but the guest could not This is not something that can be fixed by the guest, nor it is problem with teams as a technology, it is the security controls built into the platform >Do you realize I'm the idiot that came up with live video in the browser to begin with? and I am a guy that wrote PHP code in the 90's and love it... so....
  - 4y ago