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That's kind of weird to label it based on sexual roles by default. How would they go about explaining that label to a child? How about puss in boots face?

by tomxor 4y ago

yusefnapora 4y ago
Perhaps the author assumes that a child with a deep interest in rust Unicode edge cases has likely been on the internet before, and may well have been exposed to the existence of sex?
- danielheath 4y ago
  On the other hand, if anyone has a good way to explain variable-length integer encodings with constant-complexity backtracking to a child, please let me know.
  - wizzwizz4 4y ago
    Every sentence starts with a capital letter, and ends with a full stop. Now, imagine that every sentence is at most four words long. It might be one, or two, or three, but it won't have five words. Imagine you drop your finger randomly on a word. How can you find the start of the sentence it's in? (After this, if the child were familiar with binary, I'd show the actual representation of UTF-8, perhaps colour-coded. It's really quite intuitive. No need to go for the abstract straight away: if the child can generalise, they can generalise, and if not, there's no point making it artificially confusing.)
OJFord 4y ago
No no, that's why some people here are confused and out of the loop - the actual unicode name is not 'bottom face', but 'pleading face' or 'face with pleading eyes' (I'm not sure of a good reference for 'actual' names, got those from two different unicode dictionary type sites).
- tomxor 4y ago
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  - TaylorAlexander 4y ago
    Top/bottom don’t even have anything to do with gender, and it wouldn’t matter if they did.
    - tomxor 4y ago
      It's a fucking pleading face and they made it about sexual roles for no good reason... It's stupid.
      - TaylorAlexander 4y ago
        Every meme is stupid. That’s the point. Also, pleading is an actual part of this very common sexual dynamic. If you’re just made uncomfortable by sex that’s fine but you don’t have to turn that in to judgment of people who aren’t.
        tomxor 4y ago
        > If you’re just made uncomfortable by sex that’s fine but you don’t have to turn that in to judgment of people who aren’t. You accuse me of making assumptions and then make your own incorrect ones. I find it annoying when people weave their personal non-technical agendas into technical discussions. I can anticipate your response now... there is no agenda. But go read the article and you will notice is not even specific to this one emoji. [edit] Keep up the good work mr/ms downvoter, I've got a lot of points to burn and no shop to spend them in. Good to know I'm pissing off one person who is chronically offended by my skepticism.
        TaylorAlexander 4y ago
        > Keep up the good work mr/ms downvoter It’s they/them downvoter actually. But seriously, as far as I can tell it’s not possible to downvote people who have replied directly to me. It’s just other people downvoting you because what you’re saying is unpopular. You’re certainly not pissing me off. That’s why I’m trying to calmly explain your errors. But it sounds like you’ve made up your mind and take disagreement as some kind of encouragement.
TaylorAlexander 4y ago
The emoji has another name, “pleading face”. This is basically how it became to be used by bottoms. Tops don’t plead, but bottoms do. There’s lots of emojis that the culture has given alternate meanings to, for example the peach and the eggplant. You could ask “how would I explain this to a child” to anything adults talk about that is sexual in nature. Usually the answer is “don’t.” I don’t think TFA was written for children and the author wanted to include this common internet meme in to their article title.
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bigbottomenergy 4y ago
Imagine my surprise in Latin American places where Activo/Passivo is exclusively used to describe top/bottom. I kinda have to assume that those words mean more than their congnates in context, or else I kinda feel bad for gay Latin communities being shoe-horned into archaic roles.
kelnos 4y ago
> How would they go about explaining that label to a child? You wouldn't. Just like you probably wouldn't explain the sexual meanings behind the eggplant or peach emojis to a child. Not sure why this needs to be a consideration. If you're writing for an audience that includes children, sure, use child-friendly terms and concepts. If you don't care about including children in your readership, go nuts.
- taeric 4y ago
  But, to explain the categorical meaning of the term, you have to lean on the sexual meaning. That is a pretty big difference. And unnecessarily scopes the audience to people that wouldn't be offended by this. Especially when ⊥ exists. Why is that not available as an emoji? Granted, I don't think everyone needs to be prudish, such that this is a bit of a tempest in a teapot. But it is very different than claiming that explicitly sexual reframing of other items is the same thing.
some_random 4y ago
Oh won't someone please think of the children reading articles on Rust internals??
- tomxor 4y ago
  It seems speaking of children is a trigger. My point is that it has been arbitrarily sexualised and doesn't seem relevant to the article.

That's kind of weird to label it based on sexual roles by default. How would they go about explaining that label to a child? How about puss in boots face?

by tomxor 4y ago

That's kind of weird to label it based on sexual roles by default. How would they go about explaining that label to a child? How about puss in boots face?

yusefnapora 4y ago

Perhaps the author assumes that a child with a deep interest in rust Unicode edge cases has likely been on the internet before, and may well have been exposed to the existence of sex?

danielheath 4y ago
On the other hand, if anyone has a good way to explain variable-length integer encodings with constant-complexity backtracking to a child, please let me know.
- wizzwizz4 4y ago
  Every sentence starts with a capital letter, and ends with a full stop. Now, imagine that every sentence is at most four words long. It might be one, or two, or three, but it won't have five words. Imagine you drop your finger randomly on a word. How can you find the start of the sentence it's in? (After this, if the child were familiar with binary, I'd show the actual representation of UTF-8, perhaps colour-coded. It's really quite intuitive. No need to go for the abstract straight away: if the child can generalise, they can generalise, and if not, there's no point making it artificially confusing.)

OJFord 4y ago

No no, that's why some people here are confused and out of the loop - the actual unicode name is not 'bottom face', but 'pleading face' or 'face with pleading eyes' (I'm not sure of a good reference for 'actual' names, got those from two different unicode dictionary type sites).

tomxor 4y ago
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- TaylorAlexander 4y ago
  Top/bottom don’t even have anything to do with gender, and it wouldn’t matter if they did.
  - tomxor 4y ago
    It's a fucking pleading face and they made it about sexual roles for no good reason... It's stupid.
    - TaylorAlexander 4y ago
      Every meme is stupid. That’s the point. Also, pleading is an actual part of this very common sexual dynamic. If you’re just made uncomfortable by sex that’s fine but you don’t have to turn that in to judgment of people who aren’t.
      - tomxor 4y ago
        > If you’re just made uncomfortable by sex that’s fine but you don’t have to turn that in to judgment of people who aren’t. You accuse me of making assumptions and then make your own incorrect ones. I find it annoying when people weave their personal non-technical agendas into technical discussions. I can anticipate your response now... there is no agenda. But go read the article and you will notice is not even specific to this one emoji. [edit] Keep up the good work mr/ms downvoter, I've got a lot of points to burn and no shop to spend them in. Good to know I'm pissing off one person who is chronically offended by my skepticism.
        TaylorAlexander 4y ago
        > Keep up the good work mr/ms downvoter It’s they/them downvoter actually. But seriously, as far as I can tell it’s not possible to downvote people who have replied directly to me. It’s just other people downvoting you because what you’re saying is unpopular. You’re certainly not pissing me off. That’s why I’m trying to calmly explain your errors. But it sounds like you’ve made up your mind and take disagreement as some kind of encouragement.

TaylorAlexander 4y ago

The emoji has another name, “pleading face”. This is basically how it became to be used by bottoms. Tops don’t plead, but bottoms do. There’s lots of emojis that the culture has given alternate meanings to, for example the peach and the eggplant. You could ask “how would I explain this to a child” to anything adults talk about that is sexual in nature. Usually the answer is “don’t.” I don’t think TFA was written for children and the author wanted to include this common internet meme in to their article title.

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bigbottomenergy 4y ago

Imagine my surprise in Latin American places where Activo/Passivo is exclusively used to describe top/bottom. I kinda have to assume that those words mean more than their congnates in context, or else I kinda feel bad for gay Latin communities being shoe-horned into archaic roles.

kelnos 4y ago

> How would they go about explaining that label to a child? You wouldn't. Just like you probably wouldn't explain the sexual meanings behind the eggplant or peach emojis to a child. Not sure why this needs to be a consideration. If you're writing for an audience that includes children, sure, use child-friendly terms and concepts. If you don't care about including children in your readership, go nuts.

taeric 4y ago
But, to explain the categorical meaning of the term, you have to lean on the sexual meaning. That is a pretty big difference. And unnecessarily scopes the audience to people that wouldn't be offended by this. Especially when ⊥ exists. Why is that not available as an emoji? Granted, I don't think everyone needs to be prudish, such that this is a bit of a tempest in a teapot. But it is very different than claiming that explicitly sexual reframing of other items is the same thing.

some_random 4y ago

Oh won't someone please think of the children reading articles on Rust internals??

tomxor 4y ago
It seems speaking of children is a trigger. My point is that it has been arbitrarily sexualised and doesn't seem relevant to the article.