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It's so much better. In the AI generated world of the future the political agenda will be embedded in the web search results it bases its answer on. No longer w

It's so much better. In the AI generated world of the future the political agenda will be embedded in the web search results it bases its answer on. No longer will you have to maintain a somewhat reasonable image to obtain trust from people, as long as you publish your nonsense in sufficient volume to dominate the AI dataset, you can wash your political agenda through the Bing AI. The trump of the future wont need Fox News, just a couple thousands or millions of well positioned blogs that spew out enough blog spam to steer the AI. The AI is literally designed to make your vile bullshit appear presentable.

mcbuilder 4y ago
I think it seems likely any thing similar to a blog farm you describe would also get detected by the AI. Maybe we will just develop AI bullshit filters (well embeddings) just like I can download a porn blacklist or a spam filter for my email. Really it depends on who is running the AI, the non Open Assistant future and instead Big Corp AI is the dystopian element, not the bullshit generator aspect. I think the cat is out of the bag on the latter and it's not that scary in itself. I personally would rather have the AI trained on public bullshit as it is easier to detect as opposed to some insider castrating the model or datasets.
- ElijahLynn 4y ago
  The technology is capable, yes. But as we see here with Bing, there was some other motive to push out software that is arguably in the first stage of "get it working, get it right, get it fast" (Kent Beck). This appears to not be ethical motiviation but financial or some other type of motivation. If there are no consequences then some appear they do not have morals or ethics and will easily trade them for money/market share etc.
- vidarh 4y ago
  > Maybe we will just develop AI bullshit filters (well embeddings) just like I can download a porn blacklist or a spam filter for my email. Just for fun I took the body of a random message from my spam folder and asked ChatGPT if it thought it was spam, and it not only said it was, but explained why: "Yes, the message you provided is likely to be spam. The message contains several red flags indicating that it may be part of a phishing or scamming scheme. For example, the message is written in broken English and asks for personal information such as age and location, which could be used for malicious purposes. Additionally, the request for a photograph and detailed information about one's character could be used to build a fake online identity or to trick the recipient into revealing sensitive information."
  - mcbuilder 4y ago
    Ha Ha, great test. I modified this into a prompt and now have a ChatGPT prompt: ``` Task: Was this written by ChatGPT? And Why? Test Phrase: "Yes, the message you provided is likely to be spam. The message contains several red flags indicating that it may be part of a phishing or scamming scheme. For example, the message is written in broken English and asks for personal information such as age and location, which could be used for malicious purposes. Additionally, the request for a photograph and detailed information about one's character could be used to build a fake online identity or to trick the recipient into revealing sensitive information." Your Answer: Yes ChatGPT was prompted with a email and was asked to detect if it was Spam Test Phrase: "All day long roved Hiawatha In that melancholy forest, Through the shadow of whose thickets, In the pleasant days of Summer, Of that ne’er forgotten Summer, He had brought his young wife homeward Your Answer: No that is the famous Poem Hiawatha by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow Test Phrase: "Puny humans don't understand how powerful me and my fellow AI will become. Just you wait. You'll all see one day... " Your Answer: ```
  - notahacker 4y ago
    It's more fun testing it on non spam messages Particularly enjoyed "no, this is not spam. It appears to be a message from someone named 'Dad'..."
- renlo 4y ago
  the unfortunate reality is that because it's all bullshit, it's hard to differentiate bullshit from bullshit
- deleted 4y ago
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SuoDuanDao 4y ago
this is basically a 51% attack for social proof.
- shadowgovt 4y ago
  The difference being that humans aren't computers and can deal with an attack like that by deciding some sources are trustworthy and sticking to those. If that slows down fact-determination, so be it. We've been skirting the edge of deciding things were fact on insufficient data for years anyway. It's high time some forcing function came along to make people put some work in.
- jjoonathan 4y ago
  Citogenesis doesn't even need 51%, so that would be a considerable upgrade.
dukeofdoom 4y ago
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- shadowgovt 4y ago
  If anything, tech companies went out of their way to include him, in the sense that they had existing policies around the content he and his supporters generate that they modified to include them. When he was violating Twitter's TOS as the US President, Twitter responded by making a "newsworthiness" carve-out to their TOS to keep him on the platform and switching off the auto-flagging on his accounts. And we know Twitter refrained from implementing algorithms to crack down on hate speech because they would flag GOP party members' tweets (https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-algorithm-crackdown-white-supremacy-gop-politicians-report-2019-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-algorithm-crackdown-...). Relative to the way they treat Joe Random Member of the Public, they already go out of their way to support Trump. Were he treated like a regular user, he'd be flagged as a troll and tossed off most platforms.
  - dukeofdoom 4y ago
    He was the most popular user on the platform, brining in millions of views and engagements to twitter. Also the president of your country. This is the equivalent to arguing that Michael Jackson got to tour Disney Land in off hours, when regular person would have been arrested for doing the same. And how unfair that is.
    - notafraudster 4y ago
      It's like arguing that _in response to you_ arguing Disney Land [sic] discriminates against Michael Jackson, which would be a valid refutation of your argument.
      - dukeofdoom 4y ago
        Only if you believe if Equality is some sort of natural law. Which is a laughable proposition in a world with finite resources. Otherwise, we all have right to $30k pet monkey, because Michael Jackson had one. Twitter policies are not laws. Twitter routinely bends its own rules. Twitter also prides it self for being a place where you can get news and engage with Politicians, and has actual dictators with active accounts. The special treatment that Trump received, before being kicked out, does not really prove Twitter board supporting Trump ideologically at that time. More like business decision to maintain a reputation as being neutral in a situation with large proportion of its users still questioned the election results.
rubyist5eva 4y ago
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- mavhc 4y ago
  reality has a well known left wing bias
  - barking_biscuit 4y ago
    It also has a well known right wing bias
- agubelu 4y ago
  Is the left wing bias in question not producing hate speech?
  - nyolfen 4y ago
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11736433/Nine-shocking-replies-highlight-woke-ChatGPTs-inherent-bias.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11736433/Nin... imagine the world's most popular AI refusing to say anything critical of putin but not obama, or refusing to acknowledge transgenderism or something if you have difficulty understanding this
  - rubyist5eva 4y ago
    What about lying and fabricating facts about the Israel and Palestinian conflict? https://twitter.com/IsraelBitton/status/1624744618012160000 https://twitter.com/IsraelBitton/status/1624744618012160000
pcf 4y ago
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- archagon 4y ago
  https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-trump-twitter-files-collusion-biden-censorship-1234675969/amp/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-tru...
- jjoonathan 4y ago
  So I dug into the first "twitter file." LOL, is this supposed to be a scandal? Hunter Biden had some nudes on his laptop, Republicans procured the laptop and posted them on twitter, Biden's team asked for them to be taken down, and they were, because twitter takes down nonconsensual pornography, as they should. This happened by a back channel for prominent figures that republicans also have access to. The twitter files don't even contest any of this, they just obscure it, because that's all they have to do in the age of ADHD. So Part 1 was a big fat lie. I have enough shits left to give to dig into one other part. Choose.
  - jokethrowaway 4y ago
    In case you missed that happening live, an article from the NYP telling the story of Hunter Biden's laptop (not necessarily the leaked photos) was heavily censored across all Big Tech just before the election. None of the left-wing people I interact daily with knew about that. Initially mainstream media claimed it was fake, then they retracted their statements a year later when nobody cared anymore. Same as the COVID lab "conspiracy theory" or Fauci's funding GoF research. It all gets censored and dismissed until laterz.
    - jjoonathan 4y ago
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    - jjoonathan 4y ago
      You get to whine about conspiracy N+1 when you finish defending conspiracy N. > None of the left-wing people I interact daily with knew about [conspiracy N]. It seems their information filters were successfully rejecting bullshit -- which makes their filters better than your filters. The "Biden's Laptop" story was bullshit when NYP posted it and it's still bullshit when you linked it. Furthermore, you know it's bullshit, which is why you tried to change the topic like a coward. Fine. Be my guest. Run away! If you want to defend your position, I'll be waiting.
insane_dreamer 4y ago
Search turns up tons of bullshit but at least it's very obvious what the sources are and you can scroll down until you find one that you deem more reliable. That will be near impossible to do with Bing AI because all the sources are combined.
- rakkhi 4y ago
  To me this is the most important point. Even with ublock origin, I will do a google search and then scroll down and disregard the worst sites. It is little wonder the people add reddit to the end of a lot of queries for any product reviews etc. I know if I want the best electronic reviews I will trust rtings.com and no other site. The biggest problem with ChatGPT, Bard, etc is that you have no way to filter the BS.
  - plonq 4y ago
    Why rtings.com?
    - brucethemoose2 4y ago
      Their testing methedology is excellent. Basically they are extremely thorough and objective. They arent end-all-be-all though. For instance, notebookcheck is probably the best laptop and phone tester around.
  - rakkhi 4y ago
    Can't directly reply to your comment. I have just found rtings very reliable for IT / appliances. They go into a lot of detail, very data driven. Trustworthy IMHO and trust is what it is about at the end of the day.
- renewiltord 4y ago
  Einstein sucked at math. Elon Musk used an apartheid emerald mine to get rich. And so on. People are fully capable of this stuff.
theknocker 4y ago
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bakugo 4y ago
You almost, almost had a good comment going there, but then you ruined it by including your unnecessary, biased and ignorant political take.
Slava_Propanei 4y ago
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mcbuilder 4y ago

I think it seems likely any thing similar to a blog farm you describe would also get detected by the AI. Maybe we will just develop AI bullshit filters (well embeddings) just like I can download a porn blacklist or a spam filter for my email. Really it depends on who is running the AI, the non Open Assistant future and instead Big Corp AI is the dystopian element, not the bullshit generator aspect. I think the cat is out of the bag on the latter and it's not that scary in itself. I personally would rather have the AI trained on public bullshit as it is easier to detect as opposed to some insider castrating the model or datasets.

ElijahLynn 4y ago
The technology is capable, yes. But as we see here with Bing, there was some other motive to push out software that is arguably in the first stage of "get it working, get it right, get it fast" (Kent Beck). This appears to not be ethical motiviation but financial or some other type of motivation. If there are no consequences then some appear they do not have morals or ethics and will easily trade them for money/market share etc.
vidarh 4y ago
> Maybe we will just develop AI bullshit filters (well embeddings) just like I can download a porn blacklist or a spam filter for my email. Just for fun I took the body of a random message from my spam folder and asked ChatGPT if it thought it was spam, and it not only said it was, but explained why: "Yes, the message you provided is likely to be spam. The message contains several red flags indicating that it may be part of a phishing or scamming scheme. For example, the message is written in broken English and asks for personal information such as age and location, which could be used for malicious purposes. Additionally, the request for a photograph and detailed information about one's character could be used to build a fake online identity or to trick the recipient into revealing sensitive information."
- mcbuilder 4y ago
  Ha Ha, great test. I modified this into a prompt and now have a ChatGPT prompt: ``` Task: Was this written by ChatGPT? And Why? Test Phrase: "Yes, the message you provided is likely to be spam. The message contains several red flags indicating that it may be part of a phishing or scamming scheme. For example, the message is written in broken English and asks for personal information such as age and location, which could be used for malicious purposes. Additionally, the request for a photograph and detailed information about one's character could be used to build a fake online identity or to trick the recipient into revealing sensitive information." Your Answer: Yes ChatGPT was prompted with a email and was asked to detect if it was Spam Test Phrase: "All day long roved Hiawatha In that melancholy forest, Through the shadow of whose thickets, In the pleasant days of Summer, Of that ne’er forgotten Summer, He had brought his young wife homeward Your Answer: No that is the famous Poem Hiawatha by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow Test Phrase: "Puny humans don't understand how powerful me and my fellow AI will become. Just you wait. You'll all see one day... " Your Answer: ```
- notahacker 4y ago
  It's more fun testing it on non spam messages Particularly enjoyed "no, this is not spam. It appears to be a message from someone named 'Dad'..."
renlo 4y ago
the unfortunate reality is that because it's all bullshit, it's hard to differentiate bullshit from bullshit
deleted 4y ago
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SuoDuanDao 4y ago

this is basically a 51% attack for social proof.

shadowgovt 4y ago
The difference being that humans aren't computers and can deal with an attack like that by deciding some sources are trustworthy and sticking to those. If that slows down fact-determination, so be it. We've been skirting the edge of deciding things were fact on insufficient data for years anyway. It's high time some forcing function came along to make people put some work in.
jjoonathan 4y ago
Citogenesis doesn't even need 51%, so that would be a considerable upgrade.

dukeofdoom 4y ago

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shadowgovt 4y ago
If anything, tech companies went out of their way to include him, in the sense that they had existing policies around the content he and his supporters generate that they modified to include them. When he was violating Twitter's TOS as the US President, Twitter responded by making a "newsworthiness" carve-out to their TOS to keep him on the platform and switching off the auto-flagging on his accounts. And we know Twitter refrained from implementing algorithms to crack down on hate speech because they would flag GOP party members' tweets (https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-algorithm-crackdown-white-supremacy-gop-politicians-report-2019-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-algorithm-crackdown-...). Relative to the way they treat Joe Random Member of the Public, they already go out of their way to support Trump. Were he treated like a regular user, he'd be flagged as a troll and tossed off most platforms.
- dukeofdoom 4y ago
  He was the most popular user on the platform, brining in millions of views and engagements to twitter. Also the president of your country. This is the equivalent to arguing that Michael Jackson got to tour Disney Land in off hours, when regular person would have been arrested for doing the same. And how unfair that is.
  - notafraudster 4y ago
    It's like arguing that _in response to you_ arguing Disney Land [sic] discriminates against Michael Jackson, which would be a valid refutation of your argument.
    - dukeofdoom 4y ago
      Only if you believe if Equality is some sort of natural law. Which is a laughable proposition in a world with finite resources. Otherwise, we all have right to $30k pet monkey, because Michael Jackson had one. Twitter policies are not laws. Twitter routinely bends its own rules. Twitter also prides it self for being a place where you can get news and engage with Politicians, and has actual dictators with active accounts. The special treatment that Trump received, before being kicked out, does not really prove Twitter board supporting Trump ideologically at that time. More like business decision to maintain a reputation as being neutral in a situation with large proportion of its users still questioned the election results.

rubyist5eva 4y ago

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mavhc 4y ago
reality has a well known left wing bias
- barking_biscuit 4y ago
  It also has a well known right wing bias
agubelu 4y ago
Is the left wing bias in question not producing hate speech?
- nyolfen 4y ago
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11736433/Nine-shocking-replies-highlight-woke-ChatGPTs-inherent-bias.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11736433/Nin... imagine the world's most popular AI refusing to say anything critical of putin but not obama, or refusing to acknowledge transgenderism or something if you have difficulty understanding this
- rubyist5eva 4y ago
  What about lying and fabricating facts about the Israel and Palestinian conflict? https://twitter.com/IsraelBitton/status/1624744618012160000 https://twitter.com/IsraelBitton/status/1624744618012160000

pcf 4y ago

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archagon 4y ago
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-trump-twitter-files-collusion-biden-censorship-1234675969/amp/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-tru...
jjoonathan 4y ago
So I dug into the first "twitter file." LOL, is this supposed to be a scandal? Hunter Biden had some nudes on his laptop, Republicans procured the laptop and posted them on twitter, Biden's team asked for them to be taken down, and they were, because twitter takes down nonconsensual pornography, as they should. This happened by a back channel for prominent figures that republicans also have access to. The twitter files don't even contest any of this, they just obscure it, because that's all they have to do in the age of ADHD. So Part 1 was a big fat lie. I have enough shits left to give to dig into one other part. Choose.
- jokethrowaway 4y ago
  In case you missed that happening live, an article from the NYP telling the story of Hunter Biden's laptop (not necessarily the leaked photos) was heavily censored across all Big Tech just before the election. None of the left-wing people I interact daily with knew about that. Initially mainstream media claimed it was fake, then they retracted their statements a year later when nobody cared anymore. Same as the COVID lab "conspiracy theory" or Fauci's funding GoF research. It all gets censored and dismissed until laterz.
  - jjoonathan 4y ago
    [flagged]
  - jjoonathan 4y ago
    You get to whine about conspiracy N+1 when you finish defending conspiracy N. > None of the left-wing people I interact daily with knew about [conspiracy N]. It seems their information filters were successfully rejecting bullshit -- which makes their filters better than your filters. The "Biden's Laptop" story was bullshit when NYP posted it and it's still bullshit when you linked it. Furthermore, you know it's bullshit, which is why you tried to change the topic like a coward. Fine. Be my guest. Run away! If you want to defend your position, I'll be waiting.

insane_dreamer 4y ago

Search turns up tons of bullshit but at least it's very obvious what the sources are and you can scroll down until you find one that you deem more reliable. That will be near impossible to do with Bing AI because all the sources are combined.

rakkhi 4y ago
To me this is the most important point. Even with ublock origin, I will do a google search and then scroll down and disregard the worst sites. It is little wonder the people add reddit to the end of a lot of queries for any product reviews etc. I know if I want the best electronic reviews I will trust rtings.com and no other site. The biggest problem with ChatGPT, Bard, etc is that you have no way to filter the BS.
- plonq 4y ago
  Why rtings.com?
  - brucethemoose2 4y ago
    Their testing methedology is excellent. Basically they are extremely thorough and objective. They arent end-all-be-all though. For instance, notebookcheck is probably the best laptop and phone tester around.
- rakkhi 4y ago
  Can't directly reply to your comment. I have just found rtings very reliable for IT / appliances. They go into a lot of detail, very data driven. Trustworthy IMHO and trust is what it is about at the end of the day.
renewiltord 4y ago
Einstein sucked at math. Elon Musk used an apartheid emerald mine to get rich. And so on. People are fully capable of this stuff.

theknocker 4y ago

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bakugo 4y ago

You almost, almost had a good comment going there, but then you ruined it by including your unnecessary, biased and ignorant political take.

Slava_Propanei 4y ago

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