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> It cannot generate new ideas. I don't find very much substance in this argument, given how impossible it is to consistently define "new" and "idea" in this c

by mkaic 4y ago

> It cannot generate new ideas. I don't find very much substance in this argument, given how impossible it is to consistently define "new" and "idea" in this context. At the end of the day, ChatGPT demonstrates that AI models are making real progress towards convincing mimicry of human behavior. How it does it is of no concern to me, what is concerning is the fact that it does it at all.

guluarte 4y ago
it doesn't generate new ideas, it just answers based on statistics, it will be more like a personal search assitant or a tool that helps people finding information
- mkaic 4y ago
  I'm not sure how "It just answers based on statistics" and "generating new ideas" are mutually exclusive. As a physicalist, I'd argue that the human brain "just answers based on statistics" too. It's all just semi-stochastic chains of activations in the end. Babies learn language by being exposed to many many examples of it, why shouldn't the same work for artificial intelligences? The concept of "new ideas" is also flawed, as nothing is truly new—our actions, feelings, thoughts, desires, and ideas are all recombinations of our experiences. Even the ideas that seem to come out of nowhere must come from somewhere.
  - guluarte 4y ago
    i only need to show a toddler what an apple is once, and he will recognize a apple in every color just fine, i dont need to train him with tons of data and error correction, and tell him "use this relu function here and sigmoid here". A toddler can also start questioning why some apples are red and other greens? and he can come with new ideas of his own, can LLM do that? no, because their answers depends on the data they have been trained for. Im not saying it's not the future, it is, we just need the hardware, once there's a hardware cheap enough that replicates what an human does with his hands, then the days working at a factory will be over. The current AI's are perfect for copycating behavior.
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by mkaic 4y ago

guluarte 4y ago

it doesn't generate new ideas, it just answers based on statistics, it will be more like a personal search assitant or a tool that helps people finding information

mkaic 4y ago
I'm not sure how "It just answers based on statistics" and "generating new ideas" are mutually exclusive. As a physicalist, I'd argue that the human brain "just answers based on statistics" too. It's all just semi-stochastic chains of activations in the end. Babies learn language by being exposed to many many examples of it, why shouldn't the same work for artificial intelligences? The concept of "new ideas" is also flawed, as nothing is truly new—our actions, feelings, thoughts, desires, and ideas are all recombinations of our experiences. Even the ideas that seem to come out of nowhere must come from somewhere.
- guluarte 4y ago
  i only need to show a toddler what an apple is once, and he will recognize a apple in every color just fine, i dont need to train him with tons of data and error correction, and tell him "use this relu function here and sigmoid here". A toddler can also start questioning why some apples are red and other greens? and he can come with new ideas of his own, can LLM do that? no, because their answers depends on the data they have been trained for. Im not saying it's not the future, it is, we just need the hardware, once there's a hardware cheap enough that replicates what an human does with his hands, then the days working at a factory will be over. The current AI's are perfect for copycating behavior.
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